and also Chad Gaudin. They traded Matt Murton and 3 other guys. The NL Central is beginning to get interesting...
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and also Chad Gaudin. They traded Matt Murton and 3 other guys. The NL Central is beginning to get interesting...
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING CUBS!!!!:mad:
This is awesome.
ROFL!!!! hahahhahaha!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
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Heres some advice for the Cardinals:GO AFTER ERIC BEDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****ING CUBS
heh
Im have made anouncement im jinxing the cubs! cubs will lose all the rest of their games except 1!!!MUHAHAHAHAHAHA:D
SWEET!!
And give up nothing but Gallagher(who might turn into a 3 or 4 starter someday)
And they signed their first round pick Andrew Cashner
Well Billy Beane must know something that we all dont know. Most of these players sound like average players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
Sure we'll give you Bedard. Just take Sexson, Silva and give us Pujols and Rasmus.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
So, I WAS somewhat right about Beane perhaps trading away their shot this year, I was just way off on who would go.
As got robbed on this one. Those players weren't worthy of Harden by himself. I wonder what Bedard can get the Ms?
I don't think they traded away their shot this year at all. Harden has been very good, but hes a DL trip waiting to happen and they got a nice outfielder in Murton, that can only help their offense, a solid starter in Gallagher, and a couple other useful players. Its not a great trade for the A's, but its not as bad as it looks IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
However, they just lost 2 guys out of their rotation, and Blanton has been godawful all year long...who's going to pitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
I'm sure Beane knows what hes doing and I don't think he thinks he "traded his shot away" with this trade. I don't know the A's that well, but I'm willing to bet they've got a kid or two in the high minors that can step in and pitch at the ML level. Plus they did get at least one starter in the deal.
bingoQuote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
no way!! rasmus and pujols are untouchableQuote:
Originally Posted by asianinvasion
Beane is a guy, though, who has publicly stated that he IS willing to give up a year's contention to make his team better in the long run. I'm not saying I disagree with it or anything, just pointing out that the idea isn't exactly nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Gaudin's been pitching out of the bullpen. Throwing Gaudin into the deal does surprise me, as I figured any trade of Harden would allow Gaudin to move back into the rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
I wouldn't be so quick to hate on the A's side of the deal. Patterson could be a very solid player, especially if he replaces Ellis at second basemen, who's a free agent at the end of this season. Gallagher is a 22 year old pitcher with solid upside (3/4 starter). Murton has been criminally mishandled by the Cubs and is a solid bat. Donaldson's a long shot.
The A's know much more about Harden and his health than anyone else. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Harden goes down with an injury soon, and continues in his pattern of rarely ever pitching, and then this trade ends up looking like a steal for the A's. Remember a couple starts back when Harden was complaining of a "dead arm period" and his velocity was a bit down?
True enough, and I definitely think it's smart to deal Harden NOW while he's hot than wait for him to (very) potentially get hurt again.
Cubs are playing Russian roulette with Harden. I think they'll be regretting this trade in a year or so, but if it helps them break that 100-yr drought it makes those regrets much easier to swallow.
Well as far as "who they got" I would be the last to question Beane.
Also, as far as 'their shot this year' I don't think beane really thinks like that, in the end he will do what best for the long term.
Ad lastly can we get a Poll as to who goes on the DL 1st Sheets or Hardin?
Ad lastly can we get a Poll as to who goes on the DL 1st Sheets or Hardin?Quote:
Originally Posted by beerchaser
Agreed on both points. Milwaukee and the Cubs made the first 'shockling' deal but remember there's 3, Three months of baseball to be played.
Both acquistions were from the Al. Who' to say they don't fae as well against the weaker NL.
It's a waiting game folks....
Just a thought. Isn't Harden more likely to get injured in the NL since he'll have to swing the bat and run the bases as well? Have fun with him Cubbie fans :).
My Guess is Harden has a pet goat and a black cat, and he brings his goat to the park with his cat. Then the cat spooks the goat, which charges, gets Zambranno mad, and Zambrano punches at the goat but misses, hittiing harden and in the process breaks his knuckles. Both go on the DL for the season. Then Ron Santo goes to the game and the cat runs by him
The Cubs may have gotten the better end of the deal...but Gallagher is gonna be WAY more than a #3 or 4 starter. His minor league numbers at AAA are pretty darn good and he was striking out MLB batters at a pretty good rate as well..and he's not turning 23 until December. Gallagher is WAY more than potential #3 or 4 someday. He's a potential stud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
Doesn't mean the Cubs made a bad deal..but let's not go too far.
Harden's gonna be Mark Prior all over again.
No doubt...
Harden would make a SICK closer/reliever, though... that is if it doesn't work out as a SP (health wise)
**** da cubs!
Generally, when you go to the weaker league, and you get to face a pitcher rather than a designated hitter, you're going to do better. Sure, anything's possible, but we can say the same thing about any trade ever. For what it's worth, Rich Harden has been absolutely filthy against NL teams for his career, and especially so in his 4 interleague starts this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnstonecold
Most scouts would disagree because he doesn't have any real outstanding out-pitch. He's got three/four solid pitches, which makes for a solid mid-rotation starter usually, but not an ace.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Thank you. And actually he would be a better bullpen guy than starter in the long run. He's got a mid to high 90's fastball with a couple of average off speed pitches. He needs to work on making one of those off speed pitches really good and become a 7th or 8th inning man.Quote:
Most scouts would disagree because he doesn't have any real outstanding out-pitch. He's got three/four solid pitches, which makes for a solid mid-rotation starter usually, but not an ace.
amen.... just like the hudson deal sure worked out for us :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ayhoser
I think he can do just fine as a starter. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Gallagher surprises in the second half with a nice run, taking advantage of the friendly confines in Oakland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
I'm guessing Billy Beane has some medical info -- that Harden will continue to have injury trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianinvasion
I don't think you need to see medical info to see a trend with him being consistently injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Dreslough
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Originally Posted by dannymac910
LOL! some guy on around the horn said this exact thing today!
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=7774
A long in-depth look at the deal from both sides.
I am paraphrasing, but Beane on the radio this morning basically said Harden has been injured before and will be injured again in the future. He cited injuries as what has hobbled the As in recent years.