The rule that each team must have one player is ridiculous. Brian Wilson, Joakim Soria, who are these people?
Dioner Navarro and Ryan Ludwick certainly did not deserve it AT ALL.
No Santana??? No Vlad Guerrero???
Ridiculous...
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The rule that each team must have one player is ridiculous. Brian Wilson, Joakim Soria, who are these people?
Dioner Navarro and Ryan Ludwick certainly did not deserve it AT ALL.
No Santana??? No Vlad Guerrero???
Ridiculous...
Joakim Soria has 23 saves, a 41:9 K:BB ratio and a 1.22 ERA.
He has blown only 1 save in the season.
Holliday made it as a reserve
My bad, you're right, Holliday did make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
Soria is amazing and Ludwick has been great this season too. I think Brian Wilson was a Beach Boy and Navarro is leading the pitching staff of the best team is baseball.
Soria's been a top closer. Wilson has been awesome, and Navarro has possibly been the best catcher in baseball. Ludwick certainly has been no slouch, either, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I don't think that Manny has really deserved it, though... I mean, he has sucked the last couple of weeks and his average is down to .279 and his SLG is down under .500. I also thought that maybe Mussina should've made it. I also think that Giambi should be in.
Why Joe Crede too? He was a very bad pick as well...
And Cliff Lee over CC?
they arent that bad
American League
Pos Player B/T
Starters
C Joe Mauer, MIN L/R
1B Kevin Youkilis, BOS R/R
2B Dustin Pedroia, BOS L/L
SS Derek Jeter, NYY R/R
3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY R/R
OF Josh Hamilton, TEX L/L
OF Manny Ramirez, BOS R/R
OF Ichiro Suzuki, SEA L/R
DH David Ortiz, BOSē L/L
Pitchers
Pos Player B/T
P Justin Duchscherer, OAK R/R
P Roy Halladay, TOR R/R
P Scott Kazmir, TB L/L
P Cliff Lee, CLE L/L
P Joe Nathan, MIN R/R
P Jonathan Papelbon, BOS R/R
P Mariano Rivera, NYY R/R
P Francisco Rodriguez, LAA R/R
P Ervin Santana, LAA R/R
P Joe Saunders, LAA L/L
P George Sherrill, BAL L/L
P Joakim Soria, KC R/R
Reserves
Pos Player B/T
C Dioner Navarro, TB S/R
C Jason Varitek, BOS S/R
1B Justin Morneau, MIN L/R
2B Ian Kinsler, TEX R/R
SS Michael Young, TEX S/R
3B Joe Crede, CWS R/R
3B Carlos Guillen, DET S/R
OF J.D. Drew, BOS L/R
OF Carlos Quentin, CWS R/R
OF Grady Sizemore, CLE L/L
DH Milton Bradley, TEX S/R
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National League
Starters
Pos Player B/T
C Geovany Soto, CHC S/R
1B Lance Berkman, HOU S/L
2B Chase Utley, PHI L/R
SS Hanley Ramirez, FLA R/R
3B Chipper Jones, ATL S/R
OF Ryan Braun, MIL R/R
OF Kosuke Fukudome, CHC L/R
OF Alfonso Soriano, CHC R/R
Pitchers
Pos Player B/T
P Aaron Cook, COL R/R
P Ryan Dempster, CHC R/R
P Dan Haren, ARI R/R
P Brad Lidge, PHI R/R
P Tim Lincecum, SF L/R
P Ben Sheets, MIL R/R
P Edinson Volquez, CIN R/R
P Billy Wagner, NYM L/L
P Brandon Webb, ARI R/R
P Brian Wilson, SF R/R
P Kerry Wood, CHC L/L
P Carlos Zambrano, CHC S/R
Reserves
Pos Player B/T
C Russell Martin, LA R/R
1B Brian McCann, ATL L/R
1B Adrian Gonzalez, SD L/L
1B Albert Pujols, STL R/R
2B Dan Uggla, FLA R/R
3B Aramis Ramirez, CHC R/R
SS Cristian Guzman, WAS S/R
SS Miguel Tejada, HOU R/R
OF Matt Holliday, COL R/R
OF Ryan Ludwick, STL R/L
OF Nate McLouth, PIT L/R
Crede is horrible... Cliff Lee's ERA is like a run lower than CC's.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Aaron Cook? He's OK, but his manager is clearly playing favorites (Cook over Santana and over Peavy?)
Sherrill sucks, there's another reason that this 1-player per team rule is bad.
To be honest, Billy Wagner is pitching pretty poorly too.
Cook is 11-5, a 3.37 ERA, in his last start he threw a 79 complete game shutout.
In the first inning today he gives up 2 hits and still only threw 5 PITCHES in the inning.
every starting pitchers record on the AL Staff is above .500
I still think that John Maine should be in as a Final Vote candidate.
he's not a candiate vote David Wright i think Rick Ankiel desevered a shot 5th in outfield when voting closed ludwick was 13th
I know he's not a candidate. He should've been a candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
'Eh, high 3 ERA, with an 8-6 record.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
LMAO... How freakin' pathetic! A team's worst offensive player on the All Star list... A player approaching the Mendoza line (soon to be renamed, the Varitek line).Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
Billy Wagner has been pitching badly? His ERA is 1.85!
I think that each team getting a representative is good, except for the fact that the game actually means something now(which is terribly unfair).
This year's teams actually seem pretty good. Most years there are one or two guys who really don't deserve to be there, but I can't find any beyond Sherill this year.
The Final Vote ballots are as such:
AL-
Jermaine Dye
Jason Giambi
Jose Guillen
Evan Longoria
Brian Roberts
Dye might have the best numbers, but Longoria is close. I think he'll win.
NL-
Pat Burrell
Corey Hart
Carlos Lee
Aaron Rowand
David Wright
Hart and Wright have the best numbers, but with the game in NYC, there is no way that a dude from Milwaukee beats out Wright.
Okay, I didn't realize how bad Varitek's numbers were. Geez, .219 and 7 homers in the ASG? I don't know why they needed 3 catchers, but guys like AJ Pierzynski and Gerald Laird are more deserving.
By the way, does anybody know who will be starting on the mound for the two teams?
they didnt anounce it i think the manager deceices on july 15th
Dumb Red Sox fans...Quote:
Originally Posted by EP Hotties
Varitek is the worst choice here.
However, all I see in this thread is a lot of complaining just because, without any real justification to back it up.
'Tek is great. He deserves it.
There are 16 other catchers in the American League with a higher VORP than Jason Varitek. 16. Say what you want about VORP. Use any metric though. Jason Varitek has sucked this year.
I don't think it's just about the stats though. It's about the fan favorites, and that is something Jason Varitek is and Dioner Navarro is not.
Than it's just a difference in what you think the All Star Game should be for, so, really, there's no "horrible" picks, as it's all relative to what you think makes an All Star.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Did someone just question Joakim Soria as an All-Star candidate?
Fail.
I suggest you watch him pitch sometime and take note of how he makes hitters look like monkeys with his curveball. Soria is an absolute freak.
However..everything about the AS game is a complete joke. It's stupid the way they pick the players and stupid that it means anything at all. The managers should pick the entire team and it shouldn't mean a **** thing. In fact..I wish they'd just get rid of it or play the AS game after the year is over or something.
the players voted in varitek
Haha! Sure fire HOF'er, 'eh? Wow, gotta love 'Tek homers.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Well, if Tek is "great", then so is Melky Cabrera. Hey, why stop there? Jose Molina, Shelley Duncan, Wilson Betemit, and every other baseball player that can 'manage' to hit over the Mendoza Line.
Also, I think it was leaked that Webb and Lee will be the starting pitchers.
I think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
1) I'm a Met fan. I'm not a " 'Tek Homer".Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
2)He is a legend of the game and is certainly a surefire HOFer.
Jason Varitek is a HOFer? Joakim Soria is not deserving to be an All-Star?
LAY OFF THE CRAZY PILLS!!
lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Didn't you say that Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera don't belong in the Hall of Fame?
Varitek had 3 really good years, 2003-2005. He's been average at best every other year.
Please, be at least a little bit objective.
Haha, really...Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Let's just say that "metsguy"/redsoxfan doesn't have my vote for prez :p
On reputation, Varitek is a HOF. On statistics, he's basically an average hitter (note the 101 OPS+). I would not call him a "surefire" HOF - he'd be very lucky to get in, unless HOF voters ignore his statistics.
Yup, they lost my vote too.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
for those of you who have a problem with Brian Wilson - The only thing bad about him is his ERA and I am pretty sure its high from his non save op outings. He allows walks but he always seems to get out of hit. Just look at his lack of blown saves/losses. He has really been good on a team that isn't.
Santana imo does not really have all star numbers this year.
My only problem with the all stars is that its nearly half the starters were BOS/NYY. Thats retarded imo.
On reputation? Don't think so. "he'd be very lucky to get in"... Ya **** right! Varitek shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as the HOF. I don't think the Jorge Posada will get in, but his numbers are almost twice as good as Varitek's career numbers and he's won more rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by KMils
Rings aren't important. A bad player could be on a lot of good teams and win a ton of rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Here is my list of active or recently retired players who should be or will eventually be in the hall of fame.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Ken Griffey Jr.
Chipper Jones
Sammy Sosa
Rickey Henderson
Robin Ventura
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Jim Thome
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Mike Piazza
Ichiro
Vladimir Guerrero
Jason Varitek
Greg Maddux
Tim Hudson
Tom Glavine
Ivan Rodriguez
Now I here's my list of Young Players who will probably make the HOF
David Wright
Prince Fielder
James Loney
Carlos Gomez
Matt Kemp
Hanley Ramirez
Jose Reyes
Dan Uggla
Joey Votto
Chase Utley
Albert Pujols
Ryan Howard
Dustin Pedroia
Jacoby Ellsbury
Homer Bailey
Justin Upton
B.J. Upton
Delmon Young
Carl Crawford
Johan Santana
Francisco Rodriguez
Brian Roberts
Vernon Wells
Roy Halladay
Grady Sizemore
Fausto Carmona
Tim Lincecum
Matt Cain
Billy Butler (heard he was pretty good)
That's all I can think of for now...