1) I'm a Met fan. I'm not a " 'Tek Homer".Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
2)He is a legend of the game and is certainly a surefire HOFer.
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1) I'm a Met fan. I'm not a " 'Tek Homer".Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
2)He is a legend of the game and is certainly a surefire HOFer.
Jason Varitek is a HOFer? Joakim Soria is not deserving to be an All-Star?
LAY OFF THE CRAZY PILLS!!
lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Didn't you say that Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera don't belong in the Hall of Fame?
Varitek had 3 really good years, 2003-2005. He's been average at best every other year.
Please, be at least a little bit objective.
Haha, really...Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Let's just say that "metsguy"/redsoxfan doesn't have my vote for prez :p
On reputation, Varitek is a HOF. On statistics, he's basically an average hitter (note the 101 OPS+). I would not call him a "surefire" HOF - he'd be very lucky to get in, unless HOF voters ignore his statistics.
Yup, they lost my vote too.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
for those of you who have a problem with Brian Wilson - The only thing bad about him is his ERA and I am pretty sure its high from his non save op outings. He allows walks but he always seems to get out of hit. Just look at his lack of blown saves/losses. He has really been good on a team that isn't.
Santana imo does not really have all star numbers this year.
My only problem with the all stars is that its nearly half the starters were BOS/NYY. Thats retarded imo.
On reputation? Don't think so. "he'd be very lucky to get in"... Ya **** right! Varitek shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as the HOF. I don't think the Jorge Posada will get in, but his numbers are almost twice as good as Varitek's career numbers and he's won more rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by KMils
Rings aren't important. A bad player could be on a lot of good teams and win a ton of rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Here is my list of active or recently retired players who should be or will eventually be in the hall of fame.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Ken Griffey Jr.
Chipper Jones
Sammy Sosa
Rickey Henderson
Robin Ventura
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Jim Thome
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Mike Piazza
Ichiro
Vladimir Guerrero
Jason Varitek
Greg Maddux
Tim Hudson
Tom Glavine
Ivan Rodriguez
Now I here's my list of Young Players who will probably make the HOF
David Wright
Prince Fielder
James Loney
Carlos Gomez
Matt Kemp
Hanley Ramirez
Jose Reyes
Dan Uggla
Joey Votto
Chase Utley
Albert Pujols
Ryan Howard
Dustin Pedroia
Jacoby Ellsbury
Homer Bailey
Justin Upton
B.J. Upton
Delmon Young
Carl Crawford
Johan Santana
Francisco Rodriguez
Brian Roberts
Vernon Wells
Roy Halladay
Grady Sizemore
Fausto Carmona
Tim Lincecum
Matt Cain
Billy Butler (heard he was pretty good)
That's all I can think of for now...
Look beyond wins and losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by rogue9
metsguy234: That list justs proves how astonishingly biased you are. Any list of future Hall of Famers that doesn't include Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera doesn't deserve much credit.
And how in the world can you say those young players will probably make the Hall of Fame? Most have only a couple years of playing time under their belt. It's entirely too early to talk about the HOF cases of any of those guys except Johan Santana and Albert Pujols. I mean...Homer Bailey? :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
How is it biased? It includes at least 20-25 teams (including now, the Royals, Giants, and Orioles)
Where's Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera? It's no secret that you hate the Yankees, and those two players should easily be in any conversation about future Hall of Famers.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Jeter=way overrated, sissy player, who has some sort of pantheon of evil Yankee fans who defend himQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Rivera= mediocre closer
See, that just utterly proves how incredibly biased you are to the point that it's not even worth taking your opinions on such matters into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234