Sorry to change gears, but I heard Jim Bowden mention something about Chacon not being picked up by anybody, and I had no clue what he was talking about. Somehow I must've missed a big incident in MLB. Could someone clue me in???? Thx.
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Sorry to change gears, but I heard Jim Bowden mention something about Chacon not being picked up by anybody, and I had no clue what he was talking about. Somehow I must've missed a big incident in MLB. Could someone clue me in???? Thx.
It has nothing to do with whether they can afford it, its whether they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
They Yankees could afford Pavano's contract to, does that mean it was good?
Milwaukee can afford to pay Gagne 10 mil they year does that make that a good signing?
The dodgers aren;t going broke spending 18 mil on Andrew Jones does that mean they shouldv'e done that contact?
He grabbed his GM by the neck and threw him to the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
:eek: Man, how the **** did I miss that one???Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Were you living in a cave for the past week, that could do it?
Manny is nothing like Pavano, Gagne, or A. Jones. The only question with Manny is whether he'll hit like an MVP or "only" one of the top 20 best hitters in baseball. Given their resources, there is no reason to not pick it up. If Manny had a history of injuries or was declining rapidly.....it'd be different. Given their unlimited budget, there is no risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
I'm pretty sure all the examples you just gave are not similar to Manny and the Red Sox' situation at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Pavano had one great year, hasn't done anything since. Yes, terrible contract.
Gagne was hurt and has been awful the past few years. Yes, not worth it.
Andruw Jones has been obviously declining both physically and talent-wise. Yes, not worth it.
Manny Ramirez has only delivered consistently excellent performances with only a slight decline the last two years due to aging.
Manny Ramirez >>>>>>> Gagne, Jones >>>>> Pavano
Or it could be that since it occurred in Houston, a relatively small media market, and it's the Astros, not exactly an internationally or nationally popular team, it didn't really register.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Honestly, on the argument that Manny isn't worth it despite all his antics is pretty incredulous. The only reason people make a big deal out of it is because Boston is such a huge media market and reporters have to write about something day in and day out. Yeah, shoving an employee for doing his job is wrong but it shouldn't be the proverbial last straw in deciding whether to retain him or not. He's a little quirky, but he produces, is very popular with fans, and as far as I know a good teammate.
So...tell me.
If I go out on the street and shove a 64 year old man, it's okay because I'm quirky? No. I'd be arrested for assault.
If I shoved a 64 year old coworker, at BEST I'd be fired.
I dunno what the Sox should do, but this doesn't fall under 'quirky behavior.' Ramirez could EASILY have hurt the man. This is one of those things that, if they keep him around, can NOT happen again.
Yes, Chacon grabbed his GM by the neck...but on the other hand Wade is a much younger man and apparently provoked it. Ramirez acted without provocation.
Ignoring this or not dealing with it with appropriate harshness makes the Red Sox culpable if Ramirez gets 'quirky' again.
1- sports players in general gain ALOT more latitude for behaviour than any other profession, they get in fights all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by CatKnight
2- Ed Wade id 52, not alot younger
3- I'm not condoning Manny's behavior by any strech, its getting old regaurless of how good he is -but really many of his other issues have been overblown- and that is exactly why I think the Sox should look to replace him after the season.
So you've never gotten into a heated argument with someone you know? They got into an argument, he got mad and pushed the other guy. Age should have nothing to do with it. If he was "only" 45 or so would it be looked at any differently? I'm pretty sure many workplaces would NOT fire you if you had a conflict with another worker. Ever heard of conflict resolution? Again, this is being blown way out of proportion.Quote:
Originally Posted by CatKnight
This is a totally objective question, something I don't know since I don't live in the East or know personally any Red Sox fans. Is the notion that Manny "has to go" a media invention? Or is this a general sentiment among Sox fans? Because as far as I know (and again, I don't know THAT much about Sox fans) there has been no clamoring by the so called Red Sox nation about Manny having to leave the Sox. As far as I know he's a beloved figure in New England. From what I've been hearing it's just a media thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
And the Red Sox trying to waive/trade Manny in the past thing? I haven't heard anything like that since 2004...
This "Manny should go" thing is something I've really only heard on this thread and the one linked article...
The "Manny has to go" thing is really neither. The Red Sox media, NESN mostly, is calling for due punishment, a fine, a suspension, something, to be made public, so the rest of the team knows they won't tolerate it, not to mention is just looks plain bad if they don't. And I haven't even see any of it besides in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by WHAK0985
He demanded a trade in '05 and '06 too, which obviously never happened.