Goosen thinks Tiger was faking injury

Perhaps the news that Tiger Woods will miss the rest of the 2008 season will finally convince Retief Goosen that his knee injury is genuine.

Tiger out for seasonTiger Woods not only won the U.S. Open, he apparently did so with a double stress fracture in his tibia and a knee that will require reconstructive ACL surgery. Now that all the facts are out, what do you think about Tiger's performance, the PGA Tour's ability to survive the season without him and whether Woods will still be able to break Jack's major record?

Goosen, a two-time U.S. Open champion himself, seemed to accuse Woods of faking the extent of the injury when he winced in pain and limped around Torrey Pines on his way to a third U.S. Open title and 14th major championship.

"I think so," Goosen said Tuesday when asked if Woods was exaggerating the severity of the injury, according to a report on the Web site of The London Times. "It just seemed that when he hit a bad shot his knee was in pain and on his good shots he wasn't in pain. You see when he made the putts and he went down on his knees and was shouting, 'Yeah,' his knee wasn't sore.

"Nobody really knows if he was just showing off or if he was really injured. I believe if he was really injured, he would not have played."

On Wednesday, Woods announced that he would have season-ending reconstructive ACL surgery. The world's No. 1 golfer also revealed that he has a double stress fracture in his left tibia. Woods initially tore his ACL while running near his Orlando home following last summer's British Open. He found out about the stress fractures a month ago, as he was attempting to prepare for the Memorial Tournament. The stress fractures were caused by his rehabilitation from an arthroscopic procedure on the knee he underwent two days after The Masters.

When pressed about his inflammatory comments, Goosen seemed to soften his tone, but did not retract what he said.

"I was being light-hearted," Goosen said, according to the Times. "No one but Tiger himself knows how badly hurt he was. But if he was really badly hurt, he would have withdrawn, wouldn't he?"

Woods' swing coach, Hank Haney, described the moment when Woods first learned of the stress fractures, and doctors told Woods the preferred treatment for the stress fractures was three weeks on crutches and three weeks of inactivity.

"Tiger looked at the doctor and said, 'I'm playing in the U.S. Open, and I'm going to win.' And then he started putting on his shoes," Haney said. "He looked at me and said, 'Come on, Hank. We'll just putt today."'

Goosen closed with 4-under 67 on Sunday at Torrey Pines, pulling within six shots of Woods and his playoff foe, Rocco Mediate, and finishing in a tie for 14th.

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/8259162

Man, I frequently rag on golfers as athletes, but...wow. Just...wow.

Maybe the pain caused the bad shots.

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Maybe the pain caused the bad shots.

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No, he was having pain after impact with the ball. It was the torque from the follow though that bothered his knee, at impact Tiger plants and locks his left leg to produce more power on his drives.

Goosen is just mad because no matter what he or any other golfer does they are only half as good as Tiger and this past weekend proved it. There are several foreign players that really hate Tiger and his success. Els, Goosen, Singh all were dominating golf over sea's and they all decided to come and take over the PGA tour, but low and behold here's this brash young man that just takes over the golf world and leaves them picking up the crumbs.

I'm a pessimist and love Tiger but I too did question the legitimacy of the pain he was in during the tournament. After every bad shot he hobbled, and then sinks a putt and jumps to his knees in joy????

Maybe Goosen is onto something, and Tiger just wants some time off or is in a private dispute with the PGA. This fracture or surgery is a coverup ala Jordans gambling suspension (retirement) that pushed him to take up baseball.

Conspiracy theorists go to it!!

I think it was legit. Also, I think Jordan's retirement probably had JUST A LITTLE BIT to do with, you know, that whole dad being murdered thing.

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I think it was legit. Also, I think Jordan's retirement probably had JUST A LITTLE BIT to do with, you know, that whole dad being murdered thing.

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ahhh, goin with the murder plot. love it!

Someone should move this thread to rejections or ejections whatever it is...golf isn't a sport

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Someone should move this thread to rejections or ejections whatever it is...golf isn't a sport

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right.....I don't like soccer, guess that isn't a sport either. Hockey the same. I don't like bowling, darts, the thing in the olympics where they push big blocks of ice towards circles on the ice..don't like that either. I don't like archery, clay target shooting, the shot put, the discus throw, and many other games the olympics view as sports.

I guess I can say they aren't sports too. :(:confused::rolleyes:

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right.....I don't like soccer, guess that isn't a sport either. Hockey the same. I don't like bowling, darts, the thing in the olympics where they push big blocks of ice towards circles on the ice..don't like that either. I don't like archery, clay target shooting, the shot put, the discus throw, and many other games the olympics view as sports.

I guess I can say they aren't sports too. :(:confused::rolleyes:

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Soccer is a sport. I don't like it though. Bowling, darts, curling, archery, shooting, shot put, discus, and especially racing I also don't think are sports. I believe they are, as you stated, games.

fwiw, I agree.

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fwiw, I agree.

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:: Does a google search for "FWIW" ::

It's worth a lot...one of the few people i've found that agree with me

So what is the difference between a sport and a game?

I agree with filihok...."Soccer is a sport. I don't like it though. Bowling, darts, curling, archery, shooting, shot put, discus, and especially racing I also don't think are sports. I believe they are, as you stated, games." Except Nascar isnt a game....its a non-sport... its, what.... racing, I guess.

I dont know how one differentiates between sports and games (or non-sports), exactly. Seems like its somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Depends on ones taste, I guess.

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Originally Posted by SirKodiak

So what is the difference between a sport and a game?

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IMO (i know that one),

A sport is an athletic contest between two (or more) individuals or teams that compete directly against one another.

A game is a contest with no restrictions on the number of participants. It may be anywhere from one to infinity. A game may be athletic in nature, or it may not. In a game, the contestants do not have to compete directly.

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Originally Posted by filihok

IMO (i know that one),

A sport is an athletic contest between two (or more) individuals or teams that compete directly against one another.

A game is a contest with no restrictions on the number of participants. It may be anywhere from one to infinity. A game may be athletic in nature, or it may not. In a game, the contestants do not have to compete directly.

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What do you mean by competing directly? That they have to be opposing each other? I ask because you listed shot put and discus but not the track events nor long jumping, pole vaulting, etc. Do you consider shot put and discus to not be athletic?

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What do you mean by competing directly? That they have to be opposing each other? I ask because you listed shot put and discus but not the track events nor long jumping, pole vaulting, etc. Do you consider shot put and discus to not be athletic?

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This is what everyone always disputes me on.

By competing directly, I mean that they must be immediately reacting to each other. They must be on the field at the same moment. They must be playing at the same moment.

I don't consider golf a sport because Tiger can play his round at 8:00 and Ernie Els can play his at 11:00. Same for track and field events.

I don't consider racing a sport because competitors could race at different times. Ben Johnson could run at 8:45 and Carl Lewis could run at 8:46 and the times could be compared to choose a winner.

I would never say shot put and discus are not athletic. They both require enormous strength and more technique than they are usually given credit for.

Woods is about as hurt as Paul Pierce was. Hey makes for good drama though, even if it people know its fake.

Lol, Pierce was clearly hurt, as was Rondo AND Perkins.......and they still beat the Fakers. Come on now....

So, I don't know much about golf, but, are people accusing Tiger Woods of faking an injury, getting surgery on that fake injury, and than missing the rest of the golf season because he has a fake injury? So, this guy, the best golfer ever, just suddenly doesn't want to play golf, so he fakes an injury?

Is that really what people are saying?

Let's get the wheel chair out for Woods.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

So, I don't know much about golf, but, are people accusing Tiger Woods of faking an injury, getting surgery on that fake injury, and than missing the rest of the golf season because he has a fake injury? So, this guy, the best golfer ever, just suddenly doesn't want to play golf, so he fakes an injury?

Is that really what people are saying?

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No. Sorry.

I dont like golf, but Woods is hurt. Seems silly to say otherwise. HGM makes good points.

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Originally Posted by belial

No. Sorry.

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Than what the heck are people saying?

That he is exaggerating the extent of the injury.

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Originally Posted by belial

That he is exaggerating the extent of the injury.

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He had surgery on a torn ACL and will miss the rest of the golf season. That seems like it's a pretty bad injury.

To the point of having surgery, and missing the rest of the year, including 2 majors?

Depends on the size of the tear. Wasn't injured too badly where he couldn't jump around like a kindergardner when he made birdies.

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Originally Posted by Swampdog

To the point of having surgery, and missing the rest of the year, including 2 majors?

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He can't get his grand slam he predicted he could anyway, so why not?

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Depends on the size of the tear. Wasn't injured too badly where he couldn't jump around like a kindergardner when he made birdies.

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Sometimes, people get excited. There's something called adrenaline.

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He can't get his grand slam he predicted he could anyway, so why not?

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Because this man has spent his entire life golfing and became the best golfer to ever play the game. I don't think he'd willingly miss the rest of the season of the sport he's played his entire life.

Why not? Because winning majors is what is the most important to Tiger. This will be 2 less opportunities for him. He still figures to overtake Jack eventually, but you never know.

My comments houston were tongue in cheek. I think this whole thread is rediculous. I hate when people start talking about what is a sport and what isn't a sport and then twisting logic to suit their arguments. One person in here pretty much said nothing is a sport unless its a team event??? Really......who cares. If you don't like a sport,game,event, whatever..don't pay attention to it!! Call it what you'd like, but why start an argument to try and convince others that something isn't a sport because it doesn't fit your definitions?

As for Tiger......the greatest ever, there's no doubt he's injured. I don't think the injury was as painful as some may think it was during his round, but surely after the adreneline HGM referred to and maybe pain killer wound down it hurt like he!!. I say this, because I've played the sport (haha) of golf with a bum knee, golfers elbow, bad back, and other injuries at various times and they greatly effect your game. Just knowing the pain 'could' be there has to effect your game. I think the world of Tiger, and as much as he doesn't seem human I still believe he is. I don't see how anyone can win the US Open with a seriously painful knee injury. I think he knew it was hurt, took some pain killer and over dramatized it during his round. Added to the aura that is Tiger.

Even going out there and dramatizing effected his mental approach though, and what he did was amazing.

Of course, these are just my opinions.

it all comes down to jealousy, people usually hate someone when they totally dominate something or someone else and simply put, Tiger is worlds above anyone you can find on a golf course.

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it all comes down to jealousy, people usually hate someone when they totally dominate something or someone else and simply put, Tiger is worlds above anyone you can find on a golf course.

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Agreed with your premise, but I think whats most amazing to me is that Tiger, as far as I see, has transcended that. What I mean is, many including I at one point hated him because he was so dang good. Hated is too strong, but definetly rooted against him. However, he has transcended beyond that to a point where most of those who rooted against him are now steadily in his corner. He doesn't have the haters.......and thats as much because of his amazing on the course feats as it is because of his off the field persona.

I've never seen any other example of this. Jordan I would say got close.....and Muhammed Ali may have but I wasn't around during his time. I know initially alot of people hated him because of him dodging the draft and outspoken comments about the war. I can't say however if he reached the level of Woods or not.

Well, let's see:

Sport
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

Game
1. an amusement or pastime: children's games.
2. the material or equipment used in playing certain games: a store selling toys and games.
3. a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.

So, the dictionary is basically noncommittal.

Sport

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Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to include activities such as mind sports (a common name for some card games and board games with little to no element of chance) and motor sports where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors. Some of the physical sports include association football, basketball, water polo, and baseball.

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Game

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A game is a structured or semi-structured activity, usually undertaken for enjoyment and sometimes also used as an educational tool. Games are generally distinct from work, which is usually carried out for remuneration, and from art, which is more concerned with the expression of ideas. However, the distinction is not clear-cut, and many games are also considered to be work or art.

Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interactivity. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational or psychological role.

Known to have been played as far back as the 30th century BC, games are a universal part of human experience and present in all cultures[1]. The Royal Game of Ur, Senet and Mancala are some of the oldest known games.

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Wikipedia hedges a bit, but doesn't seem to be noncommittal (at least not in my biased view).

Ah, here's some more discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Golf#Sport_or_game.3F

Anybody can let someone define things for them. Sometimes we need to step outside and see the world from our own eyes.

Is the difference between a sport and a game really a topic that needs to be spoken about like some sort of truth-seeking endeavor? Where thinking for yourself is crucial? O_o

Yes...practice makes perfect.

We learn small and grow big

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Is the difference between a sport and a game really a topic that needs to be spoken about like some sort of truth-seeking endeavor? Where thinking for yourself is crucial? O_o

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agreed. problem is, I think games and sports can both be the same. Has anyone gone to a 'baseball game' recently? When was the last time you went to see 'the sport of baseball'??

Terminology is a b!tch isn't it?