I really respect IGN's game review knowledge. I feel really let down by them here.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/873/873848p1.html
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I really respect IGN's game review knowledge. I feel really let down by them here.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/873/873848p1.html
What's the problem with their rating? I feel that they rated it fairly here.
That's probably the most on-point, even-handed, well researched and accurate review I've ever read: film, book or video game. I don't know what you're complaining about. Every single one of their complaints were right on.
I just personally felt that through its imperfections deserved more closer to an 8. With 6.8 being the average game rating by IGN, 6.2 makes it just passable as a game. I hadn't thought that all of the little things would add up so much. Sorry if I came off as whiny.
Frankly I'm impressed that this guy actually took the time to play and research the game at all. Usually you get really shallow reviews that are obviously done by a guy who spent 15 minutes with a game. This guy clearly has played the game, and even better he pretty much spells out what the game needs to improve: AI, AI and more AI.
"AI teams make decisions like Matt Millen took over a baseball team."
:eek:
Absolutely agree. That is a dead on review. I'm emotionally attached to baseball mogul, but the AI/Financial issue seriously NEEDS to be redone.
Perfectly done, laid out...this guy was very fair and even-handed. It's clear that he enjoyed some of the pieces we enjoy, but was put off by the overwhelming flaws in those parts of the game - AI, talent retention and development, etc. He understands where the game is coming from, and where it needs to go to keep the current fans happy.
Having played this since the original, the review is right on. The AI and other things need major fixes.
We keep spending our money hoping that this is the year it's right, but it's funny--i see things that were wrong 5 years ago that are still wrong today.
I know it's a small company, but the flaws are major, and we all agree that they are there.
Most of us play the competitor, but I don't want to invest the time it takes to play their game. There's no reason this game can't get things right.
I hope.
We discussed this review in this thread as well.
Well the review on on a basis of all Computer game, so the sound and graphics (which in the game are essentially nil) cause it to get penalized. while 6.2 may seem low, for anyone one looking for a text-base baseball sim if would weight higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewOsborn
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That thread had me intrigued by the assertion that the next-gen (PS3 in particular) games have finally caught up in terms of the sim side of things. Tony LARussa 3 was what leadme to BBM, and High Heat pulled me away for a couple years. Getting a PS3 later this year... will need to look into the new crop of games.
The review seems incredibly fair to me. The real driving force to BM is this forum, this fan base that essentially beta-tests the game full time. Other than that (although it's a big plus), BM lags behind quite a few other baseball sim games.
I could not agree more. BM is fine for a quick game when I am very short on time, but compared to OOTP 8 it falls way short in every area except sim speed, which is a shame really considering Clay was the first to release such a baseball career sim and thus had a head-start. And with OOTP 9 being released this week the gap will become even bigger... so, that IGN score seems reasonable to me. I hope this motivates Clay to drop Football Mogul and finally spend some time on the core engine of BM :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Redsauce
Best,
Martin
I agree with the critic. This review is extremely accurate.
He really has to drop Football Mogul or BBM will fall behind.
I got OOTP9 today and it was STUNNING. Just simply STUNNING.
While I was playing it I realized that there is no way in he-ll that BBM can keep up with OOTP more than a few more years, and that is really a shame for all of us.
Come on, Clay, we don't want Sports Interactive to monopolize the baseball online text sim business. Drop FBM and work full-time on BBM. Maybe even hire a few employees or interns while you're at it.
OOTP was light years ahead of BM until BM2k7 came along. BM2k7 and 2k8 went ahead of OOTP until now... I haven't played OOTP9 yet, but I am downloading it.
Markus has really upgraded his product :( but still OOTP retains its major faults - ie slow & millions of data (which is superfluous IMO) but still A HE-LL of a game!Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
Funnily what BM users WANT for BMXX is in OOTP but at a cost of speed* & complexity - if anything to be successful, OOTP is a REAL life "Sports job" whereas BM is a playable game.
But Clay should download a version just to "pick" some ideas (I love their full Minors & their scouting system - unlike BM Draft is a real "**** shot" after top 15 picks - like IRL!)
* You need an up to date Computer otherwise it is a "snail" speed gaming experience (bit like ADSL & Dial UP Internet if you see what i mean)
I am playing OOTP 9 now, and it is just flat-out brilliant. I started a 2008 major league game, and from the built-in addons center I had user-created real logos and player pictures downloaded and installed within a couple of minutes. I have now spent 4 hours playing my league, and the AI is just stunningly good! I cannot say how happy I am with this product. If you like baseball, you owe it to yourself to try it out, even if you're a BM hardcore fan.
Best,
Martin
I know Bill personally and he is a more than fair and objective reviewer. I think the review was spot on. The game is addicitive to say the least, but there are a lot of things that need to be worked on. Overall I think that it might deserve a little better than passable, but still nothing more than a 7.5 for overall quality.
The more that I keep reading it seems that everyone wants this game to be like OOTP, but that isn't what it is meant to be. It's a very hard thing to conceptualize but it is what it is I guess.
This weekend, I'll be 'cracking open' OOTP 9 for a good play session, feel everything out. I've briefly messed around with it, but haven't had any time to really play!
Never played OOTP before but i just got v9 so going to give it a shot
OOTP is so damned slow now. It barely even works on my computer anymore...
Actually, the review makes a huge error based on the screen shot of the contract negotiations page. (second page of the review) The review quote beneath the screen shot makes a sarcastic remark.
`So you don't like being the starting first baseman, but want to play regularly. Right.'
But the written description of the players attitude is saying that Jeff Baker doesn't like being the starting first baseman for the Boston Red Sox, but that he could play regularly on another team. In other words, Jeff Baker isn't happy playing for the Boston Red Sox, but is a good enough player to start for another team.
The sarcastic remark underneath the screen shot is a complete mis-interpretation of the players descriptive attitude!
How can you put down the AI when you can't even read!
I hate when reviewers start being wise guys with no basis in fact, in an attempt to be extra mean to a game.
Plus the depth chart screen is one of the coolest additions to BM2009, even if the stacks are not a mirror image of your lineups, it still lets you see at a glance your coverage of each position, along with the players ratings. A very useful screen for getting an overview of potential trades and transactions. I'm glad they weren't afraid to borrow from Pure Sim, which has been using that format for some time now.
I think you're maybe being a little too picky, Starman. You're reading a little too much in to one throwaway sarcasm line under a pic.
sorry, can someone tell me what is OOTP?
OOTP is another game like BM. same type game
OOTP stands for Out of the Park
oh interesting... never knew there were good alternatives out there... gotta try that one out and see which i like better... thanks!
The new ootp9 is excellent, but it's a different style baseball game than BM 09.
I've been playing ootp9 - a fictional MLB setup - but I still play BM almost everyday as well.