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Um, 2 vs each one just like every other team.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Boston Vs the West
PO teams :12-4
non PO team :11-1
vs team .500 or better: 16-4
Laker vs the east:
PO teams :9-7
non PO teams :12-0
vs team .500 or better: 6-6
so the celts killed all the the west and the lakers feasted on the poor bottom half of the east.
I said 'neither' because other than Game 4, both teams are talented and playing hard for the most part. Even if you include Game 4, every game has been pretty close at the end. These are two pretty evenly matched teams. The Celtics took one in LA, but I figured the Lakers would also take 1 in Boston, and they almost did. If they had done so, it would be the Celtics fighting for their survival.
I think the Celtics have a bit more talent, which is why they won more games in the regular season. But I don't think the Lakers are down 3-2 because they choked. Did the Celtics "choke" in the first half of Game 4? Why is it that when you play horribly in the first half of a game, they don't call it a choke?
:)
Oh and is anyone less interested in this game/series than Phil Jackson ??
I mean really what is up ??
Ok maybe Kobe I think he's given up.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
on the 2nd to last possession (Perkins Block), i don't think he made it past half court
On thier last possession he jacks a long the as soon as he touches it with 6 sec left.
And as far as who's team this is, the answer Peirce has played 71:58 of the last 72:00 min.
Way to roll over and die. Jeez.
Who leaves the building to beat traffic 1st Kobe or Jackson?Quote:
Originally Posted by EVEN11323
(sorry the Rum and party are making me belligerent, i AM an boston fan afterall)
I definitely agree with you, gryfyn1, about Phil Jackson. He's physically there, but I have no idea where he really is.
You're right about the Spurs with a banged up Manu, but Detroit was missing Rip Hamilton basically half their series with Boston, and Chauncey Billups wasn't exactly a picture of health, either.
true but if i pointed out the flaws in my own argument that wouldn't be professional .. ( Also these key are getting smaller or my finger are getting bigger .. is so hard to type correctly .. or maybe it cuz things are getting blurry)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Lol, responding to yourself now, 'eh? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Just kidding, but I see Kobe still hustling every play, and trying to pump his teammates up. Phil Jackson, I hate to say it, as he is one of my favorite coaches, has looked disinterested through the whole finals, IMO.
Yeah the Kobe piling on is more the drinks, even people here are saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Congrats Boston fans. It's looks like you guys went from cellar dweller to NBA Champs.
BTW, I know some Celtics fans, and you guys have a right to be happy and all, but jeez... act like you've been here before... at least some of 'em I know :p
All I have to say is... "Calm down, calm down, calm down... don't get a big (Wang)".
If you've seen the Tourrettes Guy videos, than you'd know what I meant by that last statement :D
Ok come on!
The Celtics AREN'T this good!
I hate to say this, but the Celtics are acting very un-classy!
Shooting 3's, committing hard fouls, trash talking, etc... And they are up 38.
Maybe I am a little bitter, but what I am saying IS true.
wow three bad runs in a row for the Lakers.
It's been a long time since I've seen a team stumble at an end of a game as badly as the Lakers did in the final three games against the Celtics. Poor shots, poor defence, poor coaching. They hit the trifecta.
Um, they committed 5 fouls in the 4th quarter ( 2 by Davis in the 1st minute), yeah they shot 5 3s but 4 of them were by Ray Allen, and thats what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
They did Pull all the starters with over 4 minutes to go, and it was LA not Boston that committed the flagrant foul in a 30 point game.
Oh don't get m wrong, as I am happy for the Celtics and their fans. I just think that running up the score was a little run, and it pissed me off a little bit. They were shooting 3's at the end of the game, when I thought they should be running the clock out and going for layups. Seems like a lot of the Boston teams like to run up the score (Pats and Celts) :p
Again, don't get me wrong, as I am happy for the Celtics and their fans. I am making ZERO excuses as which to why the Lakers lost the series. Bad defense, bad coaching, bad execution overall - they were soft, and they were manhandled in every aspect of the game!
Good job Celtics;
Boston fans are horrible - period. Immature, spoiled brats. They don't derseve a champion, but KG and Pierce did. Too bad it had to happen to such jerks of fans.
Boston fans are great. Among the best in the world. As a Celtic fan, please excuse me while I take a moment to celebrate a fabulous win, and a great team ..................................... Ok, thanks. What is the best thing about this Boston championship;
A) Watching the Celtics complete the greatest turnaround in NBA history, or
B) Watching the Lakers take an a$$-whipping of epic proportions, exposing them as a pretender (sub-category question...... Better watching the Fakers humiliated in Game 6, or their historic meltdown in Game 4?), or
C) Enjoying the bitterness and sour grapes of the haters (and fans of the losers--see above posts).
It's a wash, pretty much, I would say. All three are enjoyable beyond belief.
For all of those who made statements like "The Lakers WILL win", and the ridiculous "It will go seven games because the NBA wants it to". Tell the truth .....dont you feel rather foolish right now?
Thank you for proving my point.
So, I'm supposed to feel foolish for thinking the other team would win? Why, exactly, is that? Tell ya what...I'll feel foolish for that right around the time you feel foolish for acting like a frontrunning, egotistical ***.
Hah, let them have it, arctic blast
The Celtics still won...
Yeah, and the difference is that most people, those with any sense, dont say things like "The Lakers WILL win"..... or "The Celtics WILL win". Thats the point. Not to mention the ridiculous theories of the league manipulating the series so it will go 7 games. Look at the stats on 7 game NBA finals over the past 20 years or so. The facts are that the finals going 7 games is a very rare occurrence these days. but don't let the truth get in the way of a good nonsensical theory. THATS the point. Making statements like that just make one look foolish.
If history has proven anything, its that anything can happen in a sporting event. As for being "front-running"......my guess is that I have been a fan of the Celtics and Red Sox for longer than you have been alive, Arctic. I endured the lean years (no championships from 1986-2004) without the acrimony you now display. So please forgive us poor Boston fans if we celebrate our titles.
And yes, destroying the Lakers gives it special meaning..... much like humiliating the hated Yankees with the comeback from 0-3 in 2004 is particularly pleasing.
Too bad you non-Boston fans dont display the grace you claim that others lack.
Boston fans are still horrible...Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
Believe what you choose, Belial......But I have never seen more fervent, knowledgeable, and yes, classy fans. Boston is a fantastic city as well.
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Originally Posted by Swampdog
Boston fans were less assholish when the Red Sox weren't able to get it done for about a friggen century. Then the Patriots started cheating, the Red Sox got lucky and now Boston fans are smug - couple this with the huge Bostonian ego and it's a digusting combination that people around the country hate.
And yes, most people make predictions, and what is friggen wrong with that? The fact remains that in a short series, the poorer team can often win, and timing is everything. If LA and Boston played a month ago, LA probably wins in 5 games. Boston was not the better team but they won. People are supposed to feel foolish because some freak thing happened? Right. Time to pass that pipe, buddy.
You are quite wrong Belial. Again. The Celtics, by any measure, were the better team. I dont see how anyone could rationally conclude anything else. Even the lakers say this. As do many of their fans. Being objective, its the only conclusion that can be reached.
Again....there is nothing wrong with thinking.....THINKING.....a team will win. Making a prediction to that effect is fine. On the other hand, some people act like they somehow KNOW which team will win. And yes, they look foolish, whether they feel foolish or not.
Pipe? Sorry, I dont drink, smoke, or take drugs. You keep the pipe, and take solace in that. Perhaps that will help heal your hurt feelings.
I seriously doubt anyone thought they KNEW 100%. Maybe that's just the Boston fan perception problem showing up again.
Of course, the Lakers will 'say the right things.' They are a great franchise with a great front office and a gracious coach. The only thing the 6 game series showed objectively was Boston won 4 out of 6 in a short series. That's not enough games to change what I saw over a season and the preceding playoffs.
Who's feelings are hurt? I was just trying to let Boston fans understand the perception that they have around the nation and they can try to change if they want.
Thanks Belial, I cant speak for anyone else, but I will give that (the fanhood thing) the consideration it deserves. I will say that the Lakers were slightly more gracious than I expected. I don't think much of Bryant as a teammate or person (from what I know), and I did enjoy the fact that he basically was neutered at the end of each game, except for one, maybe. His "Kobe-the-assassin" thing took quite a beating in the view of many.
Heh so what? KG had a reputation as a pathetic loser, now suddenly (with paul pierce carrying him) he's an emotional champion, a great winner. Kobe will dominant in some more playoff series and get back his street cred - don't worry about that.
People have a short memory when it comes to an active player.
People have short memories when it comes to just about anything in sports, it seems. I dont think that Garnett was considered a "pathetic loser".... thats a little strong. Was Pierce a pathetic loser......before he actually had talent around him? Don't think so.
As for Kobe-the-assistant..... thats what his legacy will be, I hope. He did help win titles when he was Shaq's assistant, and he drove Shaq away because his gigantic ego couldnt stand being the #2 guy, with Shaq getting all the credit. He deserves losing, and I hope it continues.
Give credit where credit is due. Just because you hate a team, a city, or whatever, doesn't mean that their winning is because they got lucky. In order to win 2 World Series in 4 years in this day and age, you have to be doing something right.Quote:
Originally Posted by belial
The complaints about Boston fans are baseless anyway. There are great fans in every city, and each team has its share of obnoxious, unruly fans (especially LA and NY.... just cant help it). Exactly what do Boston fans do differently than other fans? Nothing except celebrate, because Boston is enjoying an unprecedented era of winning. Are fans smug? I dont see how. Their teams win, so that makes them happy. Would Chicago fans be any different? Or New York Fans? Houston? I doubt it. If so... how, exactly?
What irritates people...like the posters in these forums... is not how Boston fans act... its that Boston fans get to celebrate so many winners over the past few years, and there is envy and bitterness. Its a feeling that they dont deserve so many champions... and that NO fans deserve so many, unless, of course, its THEIR team thats doing all the winning.
This is nothing new. I remember the feeling that Oakland did nothing to deserve 4 WS winners in the 70's and 80's (they didnt even support their teams, attendance wise). Why did Chicago deserve 6 NBA championships in the 90's? They didnt, really. You didnt think that those fans were "smug" and "obnoxious" when it came to the Bulls? They were. I remember it quite well. Bulls fans at that team led the league in "smugness", and, due to Jordan, they did win. Over and over again.
Boston's run wont last forever. No team wins all the time. The poor Yankees havent won this century (yes, I LOVE saying that), and the Lakers havent won in 6 years now. Jeezus, boohoo. I can tell you that, from an outsider looking in, no one is more annoying than Yankees fans, although the Lakers fans are close.
If I have a choice between having my teams lose, so "other" people wont hate Boston fans, or have those teams win championships, and be perceived as somehow smug and undeserving......I'm going to have to take the championships every time, and not care who doesnt like it. I rather doubt that fans of any other team feels differently
It's not that Boston teams have been winning - I don't hate San Antonio fans. It's just that Boston fans are generally jerks.
So...how many Boston fans do you know personally? I know several dozen... and you can count the jerks on your thumbs. You know, this is pointless. You claim that Boston fans are jerks. Ok. I dont comprehend your position. Based on the tone of several of your posts, no doubt some think that you are a jerk (remember the pipe comment? Was that really called for? Or were you just being a jerk?)
Think what you choose, no matter to me. My team just won another title, and I'm happy. I dont ever let another persons problems/bitterness effect me in real life, and it certainly isnt going to bother me in an online forum.
Like I said, the Celtics still won.
Lakers fans are generally jerks.Quote:
Originally Posted by belial
Yankee fans are generally jerks.
Piston fans are generally jerks.
Tiger Woods fans are generally jerks.
This is because people are generally jerks.
I know, very pessimistic view of people.
Ohms...who won again?
um... I forgot. Who were the competitors again?