Is it Willie's fault? Is the team just sucking lately? Why can't the team with the second biggest payroll in the big leagues maintain a record over .500?
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Is it Willie's fault? Is the team just sucking lately? Why can't the team with the second biggest payroll in the big leagues maintain a record over .500?
Rob Neyer wrote a blog on ESPN Insider today about the Mets. Over the last 182 games or so, they've got a record 2 games less than .500, and based on thier runs scored/runs allowed, they are a .500 team.
The payroll is really irrelevent. Most of it is tied up in aging, under-producing veterans.
Delgado is over the hill - that's evident and when one of your "power position" players is batting seventh your team is in trouble
They have always sucked, jkQuote:
Is the team just sucking lately
1. inconsistent starting pitching other than Santana and Maine
2. inconsistent leadoff hitter, more strikeouts than walks and a poor OBP
3. The only dangerous hitter is Wright. Delgado is too old, Beltran can't handle the pressure of the New York spotlight.
4. The second best hitter right now is Ryan Chruch, Ryan(hahahah) Chruch
He's got a .351 OBP, which is solid, and only 9 more strikeouts than walks (last year, just 1). Jose Reyes is not at all part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
:confused: Are you joking? Beltran's power's missing so far this season, but what on earth makes you think he "can't handle the pressure of the New York spotlight"? This is a guy that over the last two seasons, 2006-2007, hit .275/.370/.558 with 74 home runs.Quote:
3. The only dangerous hitter is Wright. Delgado is too old, Beltran can't handle the pressure of the New York spotlight.
Actually, Reyes has been their best hitter, at least in terms of value. On a strictly offensive performance basis, Wright's number 1 with Church 2nd.Quote:
4. The second best hitter right now is Ryan Chruch, Ryan(hahahah) Chruch
The outcome is different when you compare players to those at their position, and assess the value they've given. Using VORP, the Mets leaders are:
Reyes 25.6
Wright 19
Beltran 13.9
Church 13.6
Church comes out lower than Beltran because he's played less.
The Mets are simply a middle-of-the-road team. They're 9th in the league in runs scored, and 9th in the league in runs allowed.
Sorry I expect more than a .270 batting avg and 100 strikouts per year for 13.5 million dollarsQuote:
Are you joking? Beltran's
The Mets are not performing to people's expectations this year. They need to play better baseball. Willie Randolph lets them play. The Mets need to perform better and start to win.
The batting average is fine when it comes with plus-center field defense, power, and a good on-base percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
And the strikeouts are really not relevent at all. The overwhelming majority of the time, they're no worse than any other out. He gets on base and hits for power and plays good defense....but becuase he doesn't hit .300 he can't handle New York? He's had two seasons with .300 averages. He just isn't a high-average hitter. It has notihng to do with New York. The best season of his career came in New York. I don't see what makes you think he "can't handle the pressure." Generally, when people can't handle pressure, they don't do better than they've ever done before.
The Mets just flat out, aren't a very good team.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
It definitely isn't Willie's fault; he is a heck of a manager, but needs a real franchise to prove it. Willie should just come back to the NYY to be our bench coach :)
The Mets were grossly overrated going in to the year. Counting YET AGAIN on Moises Alou to play full time, counting on any kind of consistent health from Pedro, counting on both Maine AND Perez repeating career years. And, it's not like they could have realistically expected the production they've gotten from Church, either, that was just good luck, luck that may have ended with his concussion. They didn't look like a team, more like a bunch of parts sort of glued together with hope.
Nitpick here. They were counting on Maine to continue his development, and he pretty much has. Also, Oliver Perez's career year came in 2004 :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
The Rob Neyer reference is spot on.
A few weeks ago during on of the nationally televised games it was mentioned that Since June 1 2007 the Mets were exactly 500 (at the time)
Is it Willie ?
only a little,
i dont think he quite gets national league play,
and i think he needs to argue the next poor call like a maniac and light a dang fire.
It seems every time the team has gotten any kind of win streak going ,
they kind of settle back and say OH OK there it is again, and then wonder why "it" vanishes and they lose 13 in a row or get swept by the pads.
relying on highly paid aging vets who are also clearly injury prone is a large part of it.
It does look a bit like a win NOW that is failing miserably.
one can only hope that the majority of players who have been drastically underperforming when compared to their career averages (ie aberration) , will eventually have a reciprical hot tear (correction)
then again, being a 500 team for a year speaks to a consistently average team.
but hey maybe we'll win 20 in a row in september.
we'll prolly have to ...
Psh, the Muts are lucky to be around .500 - I mean, with an offense carried by Ryan Church, a guy that they probably expected to hit around .270/15-20 HR/80 RBI.
David Wright and Jose ReyesQuote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Batting Average: Church @ .300, Wright @ .279, Reyes @ .288
Home Runs: Church @ 10, Wright @ 12, Reyes @ 8
RBI: Church @ 35, Wright @ 47, Reyes @ 29
Slugging Percentage: Church @ .522, Wright @ .502, Reyes @ .485
Games: Church @ 50, Wright @ 63, Reyes @ 61
I don't think we can say that Jose Reyes carries the offense. Now, you can definitely say that he is the catalyst; that he gets the offense going. He just doesn't put the team on his back and carry the team.
But factor in that Wright has played 19 more games than Church. I think in 19 games, Church would continue his lead in BA over Wright, and he would tie or pass Wright in homers, and tie or pass Wright in RBI's - At least at the current pace he was going.
I mean, for MOST of the season Church has carried the Mets. While Church is hurt, Wright is now the best offensive player on the team.
Why are you leaving out on-base percentage?
Church - .365
Reyes - .352
Wright - .378
Also, see my post above with the VORP's and why Reyes leads the Mets in that category, with Wright second and Church 4th.
I don't care about VORP or whatever it is, lol.
I didn't mean to leave out OBP, but I think that just further strengthens my case anyways. Sure, Wright has a slightly better OBP at the moment, but even with the factored in, my other stats show that when healthy, Church was indeed carrying the Mets.
Well, it gives more context to the discussion, because it compares players to those at their position. Jose Reyes's offense out of the shortstop position is more valuable than Ryan Church's out of a corner outfield spot, because shortstops, as a whole, are worse offensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
I wouldn't say carrying. One of their best offensive players, though, yes.Quote:
I didn't mean to leave out OBP, but I think that just further strengthens my case anyways. Sure, Wright has a slightly better OBP at the moment, but even with the factored in, my other stats show that when healthy, Church was indeed carrying the Mets.
meh,
a year or so ago ...
" hey guys guess what ?? we just lost 13 in a row but were still wayyyy out in front of the rest of the division !! how cool are we ??? "
the fire died right there. it hasnt come back.
see "come from behind victories" ( or lack of them )
for evidence of a team that doesnt seem to mind rolling over anymore. :
a little over 2 years ago
" this is the best Mets team i have ever seen. and i been watchin since the early 70's. The way the are playing right now Im tellin ya , i really do think they are better than 86 . Cross your fingers for NO Catatstrophic injuries and we are truly in the hunt for at least 4 years..were talkin possible dynasty here"
oy ! :o
Ya know... This is probably one of the best Muts team's ever... Sad.
'06 RBI's
Wright - 116
Beltran 116
Delgado - 114
(* 99 was the only other season Mets had 3 players 100+ RBI)
07
Wright 107
Beltran 112
DelGado 87
(40 rbi less between them)
08 ...
etc
I am starting to think that hiring
Charlie Brown as a motivational speaker
for the bullpen was not such a good idea.
:mad::(:confused:
Wow, the Mets are friggin' pathetic.
We gotta trade Wagner, Perez, and Delgado and fire Willie...
I love it when fans call for a guy to be traded after 3 bad games.
"What's Wrong with the Mets? "
Well, for starters, they are the Mets.:p
Guys, not only are key players underperforming, they're playing without that competitive fire. They need a new manager who can inspire them to play. Willie is a good manager and will get a job soon after being fired but the team has quit listening to him
Well, it's obvious that Billy and Carlos have nothing left in the tank, and Perez never had anything in the tank to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
It is? How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Possibly. He's being doing well since mid-May. But, you're not gonna find a take for Delgado.Quote:
and Carlos have nothing left in the tank
Dude has a ton of potential, as he's proven before, but just has major issues harnessing it.Quote:
and Perez never had anything in the tank to begin with.
My comment was really just about Wagner.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
3 blown saves in a row, his fastball was down to like 90-91 in his last appearance.
So...3 bad games means that he has nothing left in the tank? I guarentee you I can find similar 3 game stretches in nearly every season of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
3 games? Seriously?
Didn't Papelbon have a bad 3 game stretch earlier this year? Last I checked, he wasn't preparing his retirement papers.
Every single player in the history of baseball had a bad 3 game stretch at some point.
LOL heres another for ya mike ;0Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
What's with Mets fans necroing old threads lately :|
Cuz they suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
If if you want to know what is wrong with the Mets, they just plain suck.
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