I personally think he should be in the rotation. I think that, as long as their just about as effective in the rotation as in the pen, your 5 best pitchers who can be stretched out should be in your rotation, save maybe your closer.
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I personally think he should be in the rotation. I think that, as long as their just about as effective in the rotation as in the pen, your 5 best pitchers who can be stretched out should be in your rotation, save maybe your closer.
Relief!
Starter. Joba has 3 plus pitches with a potential for a fourth. He dominated in the minors as a starter. You don't waste that type of talent in a one-inning role, unless he proves he can't handle the workload of a starter. If Joba only had one plus pitch, I'd say keep him in the bullpen, but this guy has a a large, well-rounded arsenal.
Long Relief!
Well he has made a WHOLE 15 starts and just 1 above AA.
But, I think overall he probably has more value at starter, but the issue with the Yankees is they came into the year counting on him being the Setup man and kinda backed them selves into a corner by not having any to take his place.
now you have to Pray that Farnsworth and Hawkins can not blow every lead in 8th.
Don't be too dissapointed if those prayers aren't answered. I mean even God has to draw the line somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Honetly making them into quality set-up men may be beyond even God's controllQuote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
There's an easy way to avoid this. I've personally witnessed this failsafe method hundreds of times. It's called having your starter pitch the 8th. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
I know, I know, it sounds radical. Next time your playing BM pick ANY year in the 1960's or 1970's, and pull up ANY team, and look at their pitcher's statistics. Yep, I remember the time when starting pitchers actually even pitched the ninth, or GOD FORBID, the TENTH. :eek:
Yeah, OldFatGuy's beating that dead horse again. Sorry, can't help it.
He is on a 65-70 pitch count SO you will need at LEAST 1 RP to get to Farnsworth &/or Hawkins....:eek: (& that is being conservative)Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Just to beat on "Farnsy" a bit more, also from ESPN's page2
Ten things that make Yankee fans nervous:
1. Kyle Farnsworth entering in a tie game in the eighth inning.
2. Kyle Farnsworth entering with a one-run lead in the eighth inning.
3. Kyle Farnsworth entering with a two-run lead in the eighth inning.
4. Joe Girardi saying that he's not "afraid to use [Farnsworth] at any time."
5. Girardi saying "Farnsy has thrown the ball very well for us all year long, and you're probably going to see Farnsy in that situation a lot."
6. Kyle Farnsworth warming up in the bullpen.
7. Kyle Farnsworth walking out to the bullpen before the first inning.
8. Kyle Farnsworth driving up to Yankee Stadium before the game.
9. Kyle Farnsworth pretty much doing anything other than brawling with Paul Wilson.
10. Kei Igawa.
Atleast you never had to endure Miguel Batista as your closer. *shutters*
That was only tonight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
Yeah, he should get more and more pitches each game as long as he isn't wild.
I think at some point he should start but that time isn't now. He's needed in that bullpen and much more valuable there with the status of their current rotation. It's pretty sad with a 200+ million dollar payroll they can't find a second reliever, let alone a third who is somewhat competent. Until they find one though, Joba should be in the pen.
Long term it's probably better to make him a starter now.......if the Yankees don't mind sacrificing now for tomorrow.
But isnt/wasnt that the point of "Joba Rules" ....to protect him SO he could start ??Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Why put him on a 65-70 PC in the 1st place ?
Anyways it is all over,2.1 IPs & a "journey man" in to SAVE the game :rolleyes:
I was under the impression that the Joba Rules were instituted to prevent Joe Torre from giving into the urge to ride him hard, whether or not he'd eventually start.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
Because you can't just go from throwing 10-20 pitches a game right to a starter workload. You have to be built up to it. They had Joba throw 30 in relief, then 45 (well, he ended up throiwng like 23 and then 22 in the bullepn after the game), and the next step was 65. I think his next start will have an 80 pitch count.Quote:
Why put him on a 65-70 PC in the 1st place ?
False ---- August 19 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
False ---- August 19 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
but as I said why didnt they do as they seemingly "programmed" in Spring (send him down to AAA to start 2 or 3 games) & then start him with a reasonable pitch count....anyways circular argument since this is all History now ;)Quote:
In Chamberlain’s case, there are strict ground rules. As Torre has explained many times, he must give Chamberlain a day off for every inning he pitches. This is also true on the front end. That is, Chamberlain can pitch two innings only if he has been rested for at least two days beforehand.
“That’s in stone,” Torre said the other day. “That’s basically to protect the future of the kid.”
After today’s game, Torre was asked again about the Chamberlain rules.
“It’s restricted, but it’s not a surprise,” Torre said. “You have to make plans accordingly, and when you get caught up in bringing him into a game when we have a big lead, I’d rather do without him than not pitch him for five days and not know what you’re going to get. It’s like Mo – you might bring Mo in when you have a 10-run lead or you’re 10 runs behind, but he needs a day to pitch.”
Torre said the Yankees still view Chamberlain as a starter for the long term. He is 21 years old and pitching in his fourth level in his first professional season. The rules, he reiterated, will not change.
“I’m really not of a mind to bend them, because I don’t disagree with them,” he said. “Knowing that the plans are right now that he’s not going to be a reliever, he’s going to be a starter, and the most important thing is his well-being. Whether that’s overly cautious, if that’s the way it is, that’s the way it is. When you know going in, it’s not a guessing game.”
I've heard both reasons. But, it's really beside the point. They still had to build him up before letting up throw without a very strict pitch count. They couldn't just move him right from relief to a fullblown starting role.
I need to change jobs:Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
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- Blue Jays seventh.
- J.Veras pitching.
- Scutaro singled to right.
- Rios singled to center, Scutaro to third.
- Rolen struck out.
- Ed.Ramirez pitching.
- Stairs walked, Rios to second.
- Overbay walked on four pitches, Scutaro scored, Rios to third, Stairs to second.
- Barajas doubled to left, Rios scored, Stairs scored, Overbay to third.
- Wilkerson was intentionally walked.
- Hawkins pitching.
- Eckstein doubled to right, Overbay scored, Barajas scored, Wilkerson to third.
- S.Stewart walked on a full count.
- Scutaro hit a sacrifice fly to left fielder Damon, Wilkerson scored.
- Rios grounded out to first baseman Giambi unassisted.
200 million doesn"t seem to buy you as much these days right ?
Calling them the Joba rules is a joke to begin with. The "Joba Rules" are rules that most teams, at least to some extent, use with their young pitchers, they just ended up with that name because of Yankee publicity and hype.
Ha, what a capper, everyone knew Joba was gunna be the lead story on Baseball tonight yet Buck Showalter (ever the conusmate professional) lists his age as "20-21-22", he must had a long night,