YES, the Yankees network, is really making this out to be like some hugely momentous occasion.
They're broadcasting both the playing of Oh Canada and the National Anthem. They never show that on TV before games.
Jeez.
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YES, the Yankees network, is really making this out to be like some hugely momentous occasion.
They're broadcasting both the playing of Oh Canada and the National Anthem. They never show that on TV before games.
Jeez.
Go Yankees!
I'd love to see Joba, Phil Hughes, and Ian Kennedy turn out to be the Yankees' version of Bill Pulsipher, Paul Wilson, and Jason Isringhausen (minus Izzy turning out to be a decent closer for awhile). Not because I dislike the Yankees, but because they're putting Joba Chamberlain on this pedestal before he's even had an entire season under his belt.
and here i thought you might have something interesting to say about joba.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
silly me.
Nice to see a walk, balk, passed ball, and then an infield dribbler scoring a run being called 'small ball'.
:rolleyes:Man they are so intelligent the way they 'produce' those runs in Toronto.
Lol...I heard that too and was like..."Uh...."Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
for those that missed the ESPN page2 article :
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=gallo/080603
I hope the featured comment of "I'm blowing off attending the birth of my first child to watch Joba's first start. I can always have another child, but there will only be one Joba's first start" is playing along with the theme of that article.
Well that was short lived. Two and a third innings, 62 pitches, only 32 of them strikes.
Capitilizing on shoddy defense is "the ultimate smallball."
Well that was short and not really productive for the Yanks.
Well, Joba won't have many outings like that. He has shown good control pretty much every game he has pitched in. I expect the next outing to be much different.
Talk about irony, the same day as we discuss 'small ball' the Yankee broadcasters completely confirm our point that 'small ball' is nothing but a creation by the media to describe a team that can't hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I heard the 'ultimate smallball' quote. Couple that with the 'small ball' the Blue Jays put on to induce the walk, balk, passed ball, and weak dribbler up the middle and I say..end of discussion.
What a joke.
Cmon........you mean to tell me this guy is human?? All the **** I heard today, I thought NASA had created a new pitching machine that they called Joba which tops out at 148MPH and brings an unhittable 12-6-12 looping Looney Toon pitch that has never been seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
I think the Joba hype is warranted; I mean, considering that he has dominated ever since getting called up, throws a high 90's fast, still clocked in the mid-high 90's later in the innings, plus a low 90's slider, a very solid change, and a decent curve.
I mean, it WAS mostly ESPN that hyped Joba up... what do you expect? The E comes before the S.
It was mostly the New York media, as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Yet we have two threads discussing his 1st start here ... were just sheeping along .Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
We only have 2 threads here, because Joba is the next big thing. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
I really do believe that he will be a very good pitcher, but he just needs time to build up his stamina.
He was a starter in the minors, so its not his stamina thats the issue.
Its the fact that hes probably still going out there and trying to throw 100MPH and not pacing himself throughout the games. Plus hes probably gonna struggle the second and third times through the order, and I still don't think the league has a great scouting report on him yet since hes been a reliever, we'll see how he does when all that happens.
I agree that he'll be very good, he'll be better than Hughes (who I think is a poor man's Verlander) and Kennedy (who I've always thought of as a #4 at best), but will he be better than Homer Bailey and Clay Buchholz, who are really the only other two young pitchers in his class right now?
Bailey's dropped out of that class, I think. Kershaw is up there. I think Kershaw's ahead of both Buchholz and Joba.
Thats true, I forgot about him. Probably because he doesn't get New York hype and I don't follow the Dodgers like I follow the Red Sox, with the Red Sox being my hometown team and all. I'd agree that Kershaw is ahead of both of them. Cueto could jump up their with them and I'm not sure if Lincecum would rank ahead of them either.
Honestly, I'd put Lincecum above all of them. I think Lincecum's going to be really great...well, he's BEEN really great, and that's why I think he should rank higher than them if discussing good young pitchers. He's got 223 innings under his belt, striking out over a batter an inning, keeping the ball in the park, and limiting hits. He's got control issues still, but not bad enough to downgrade him, and I think he'll improve upon that. I think he's really going to be special.
I haven't really seen a whole lot of him so I can't comment on him that much, I know he supposedly has a ton of talent though. I have been impressed with what I have seen of him, however. I'm just not sure if hes one of those slightly above-average pitching prospects that gets a lot of hype like hes gonna be a true #1 for 10 or 15 years, when hes more of a good #2 for 5-10 years because I don't know a whole lot about him.
He's got a strange delivery, that i think he benefits from greatly...a plus fastball, a great curve...plus he posted video game numbers in the minor leagues...13 starts, 62.2 innings, 104 strikeouts, 23 walks, and 26 strikeouts. In the majors so far, he's already pitched at a well above-average level, and he's only getting better. He was a top prospect on draft day, and with good reason.
I really have no idea why Kershaw would be ranked above Joba????
No doubt Lincecom is, I'd also say Hamels is..here's more were valid arguments can be made;
- King Felix
- Justin Verlander
- Fausta Carmona
- Scott Kazmir
- Francisco Liriano
- Matt Cain
- Matt Garza
All these pitchers have one thing in common........they've proved they can have success as starters. Joba......not yet. I think he will be a very good if not great starter myself, but he has to prove it. I think he has more talent than Carmona, Cain, and maybe Felix on this list above....but I'm in no way convinced of that and the others may in fact be more talented.
So you don't know about Lincecom but do know about Joba????????Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
He's got a mid-90s fastball, a ridiculous curveball, an improving changeup...all as a lefty. It's close, obviously, but I just think Kershaw's going to be better. Could I be wrong? Easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Uh, yeah, basically. Lincecum doesn't get the hype Joba does from playing in New York, or on the east coast in general really. Plus it doesn't help that Lincecum plays on a god awful team.
They are both very very good prospects which is fair to say. I've seen much more of Joba at the pro level which is why i'd rank him above Kershaw right now........but yes Kershaw may in fact be better long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I just get a kick out of the homers who show gross inconsistent while creaming over their prospects. There is no legitimate rationale for saying that you have not seen enough of Lincecom to know if he's going to be an ace type or a solid #2 type, after saying that you HAVE seen enough of Joba to know he's going to be an ace type. Yet, we see stuff like that all the time with these prospects.
I for one believe Lester should be on that list I put above, but won't put him up there because he hasn't really shown enough consistency at the pro level. I see his ability to work out of jams however, and that really impresses me. With maturity and health I feel he won't put himself in those jams and will be a top flight pitcher. But I feel that without any real statistics to prove my 'opinion' that overvaluing him for discussion sake is pretty stupid.
Although i'm not sure how old he is...edison volquez has been pretty **** impressive as well.
Yeah...i guess i should apologize to you as you haven't been grotesquely overrating Joba like others have. For some reason I thought you were....Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Just FYI, I'm not being a homer at all, I'm a Red Sox fan and I DESPISE the Yankees and all their overhyped prospects, but I just happen to be a Red Sox fan that will usually acknowledge talent when I see it. I literally don't think I've seen Lincecum pitch more than 3 innings, so I don't remember a **** thing about him. I've heard that hes got three or four excellent pitches and I know hes got excellent velocity for a smaller guy, but other than that I don't know a whole lot about him, to be quite honest. I've been very impressed with what I've seen of Joba, he has four very good pitches but he only used two or three of them since he was pitching out of the bullpen.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
As a Red Sox fan, I'm not confident in Lester. I don't think theres any doubt he has the intangibles, I think a lot of them comes from the perspective he gained from dealing with cancer, and I too have been impressed with his ability to work out of jams, but I'm not confident in him at all. He has a really hard time getting his off-speed and breaking stuff over for strikes a lot of the time and can suffer from just generally poor control altogether a lot. When he attacks the strikezone with his fastball and pitches off it hes very good, he just doesn't do that enough and he doesn't seem to trust his ability. The potential is certainly there, I just don't think he'll harness it, and I've never thought of him so highly as to put him in the same class as Liriano, Felix, and Kazmir anyways.
EDIT: I personally think Clay Buchholz is the best pitching prospect to come out of the Red Sox in a while. I've been really, really impressed with his control of all his pitches, and the movement on his change up and curveball. That change is absolutely devastating. If he can learn to pitch off his fastball and become a smarter pitcher, not to say he isn't because I think hes a pretty smart pitcher for his age, he'll be a great one.
Volquez is in his early-mid 20's. He used to be a can't miss prospect when he was with the Rangers, it just didn't work out there I guess and he finally put it together with the Reds.
No worries.Quote:
Yeah...i guess i should apologize to you as you haven't been grotesquely overrating Joba like others have. For some reason I thought you were....
Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Keep in mind its not like Joba has a huge track record here, He played ONE minor league season and made just 15 starts, throwing just 88 innings. Yes those innings were extremely good but took place at A and AA levels.
joba is done :p trade him for a bag of balls
and some pine tar for kenny rogers :pQuote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
Now now, we all know it was 'dirt'. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
hah!
That's because they were playing the Blue Jays.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM