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Yes Boston fans, I am saying it. :p The next year we get to unload Giambi and Mussina whose combined pay is close to the Marlins. Wont Teixeira and Sabathia look good in pinstripes? Rumor has it CC is the reason they never got close to Santana. Oh, and if Pettite really retires, say hello to Blanton or Sheets. Whats Wang with that?:D
They'd have to give up something to get Blanton...if he even becomes available in trade.
Also, the Mets, I bet, would be heavily pursuing Teixeira as well.
Point taken but:
1) The Mets already blew their wad in 2008.
2) Blanton is a free agent after this year. I doubt he will hang around Oakland. I could see at least 10 teams wanting him.
3) You are gonna have a really pissed off Steinbrunner Jr waving about 30-50 million around. An angry Stein will always sign a player. Teixeira is worth no more than 50 million for 4 years, but the Yanks will throw big money to have their way.
$12.5 million a year for Teixeira? Not with Scott Boras as his agent. He'll be closer to $20 mil than he will to $10 mil. Seeing as he'll be 28 at the end of this season, I would think he'll get at least $18 million per year judging by recent contracts.
My Yankees wishlist: WINS!!!!
My Wishlist: Yankees Lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper
He's not a free agent until after 2010...Quote:
2) Blanton is a free agent after this year. I doubt he will hang around Oakland. I could see at least 10 teams wanting him.
Teixeira is worth way, WAY more than 50 million for 4 years in the current market...Quote:
3) You are gonna have a really pissed off Steinbrunner Jr waving about 30-50 million around. An angry Stein will always sign a player. Teixeira is worth no more than 50 million for 4 years, but the Yanks will throw big money to have their way.
Tex's agents have hinted that they are looking for 7-8 years and 20 mil +, reguarless the total contratc will be well over 100 million.
The Mets will be shedding Delagdo (12m or so) and Pedro (another 12m) and already have a payroll that 70 mil less than the Yankees, you dont think the Mets will increase payroll for a new stadium?
If this year winds up poorly for the Yankees the Mets will go big to try to take over New York. And will compete for any and all players you mentioned.
As far as Blanton or Sheets, I guess you could sign Sheets to your DL squad right off the bat (y'know to save time), and Blanton is a restrited FA i beilve so who know where the As will go with that.
Huh? Where is this stuff about Blanton becoming a free agent? He'll have 4 years of service time after this season, not 6...Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Tex will be a Yankee next season. C.C. will be a Yankee next year. We'll probably go out and get some bullpen help, and some more depth for the bench. C.C. will probably get 6 years or so @ around 20M per. Tex will probably get 6-7 years @ around 18M per; he is twice the player that Tori Hunter is, so he will want at least as much as Hunter got... that's the way I see it.
No one will outspend the Yankees. Period! Book it.
The Mariners should be desperately going after Teix this offseason too. So it won't be easy for the Yankees
Sorry i was referring to the fact he is Arb eligible, baseball dosnt really have UFA like football, got my terminology mixed up./Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
My wishlist:
March 30, 2009: A highly localized 9.5 earthquake strikes the Bronx, levelling New Yankee Stadium. The only casualty is Hank Steinbrenner, who tripped over his wallet trying to get out.
April: With no place to play, the Yankees are forced to move operations to...well, I don't care where. They were talking about the Yale Bowl back in the '70s.
June: With its reduced capacity, the Yanks can't make payroll and go bankrupt.
July: After the ASG is moved for obvious reasons, MLB votes 29-1 that it's not worth waiting for the Yanks to rebuild. They take away Steinbrenner's franchise and move it to Winnipeg.
October: Winnipeg owners decide to honor 'their' heritage and keep the team's secondary name. The Winnipeg Wang join the American League.
Twice the player is a bit of exaggeration, but Tex is a lot more productive than Hunter.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
Yeah, he's arb-eligible, but there's no way Oakland is going to non-tender him...The only way any other team is going to get him is via trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
The Braves will resign Tex.
No, seriously, stop laughing...
well of course, but the escalating salary may make them more likely to trade him if they perceived his value to have peaked.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Well, Tex isn't twice the player Hunter is; I did reach a little bit there, but he hits for a lot more average, a lot more homers, plays GG defense (like Hunter), has a WAY better OPS, OBP, etc... Pretty much does everything much better than Hunter.
If Cleveland feels they do not have a shot at the pennant they will try to trade Sabathia at the deadline, and they would probably grant a negotiating window for a contract extension in order to increase their trade haul. That team might or might not be the Yankers, but probably only if they are willing to make the kind of trade they were not willing to make last year for Santana. I have heard that the Indians are trying to engage the Dodgers in talks for Sabathia, but I don't know how far that will go. I think LA may actually be looking to move some pitching soon themselves; either Lowe or Penny may end up on the trading block in July.
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Originally Posted by CatKnight
WOW...gotta love that on June 2nd Yankee fans are ALREADY looking forward to next season!!!! :D:D
Yep, it's just a crying shame...really...un(snicker)fortunate that (giggle) the poor (snort) Yankee fans (laugh) have al(snicker)ready given up. :D
Oh yes, we do look forward to next season; we're probably either as good or better than the Red Sox are this year, and next year with the likes of Mark Teixera (possibly), C.C. Sabathia (possibly) Brett Gardner, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Mark Melancon, Brent Cox, Juan Miranda, Humberto Sanchez, amongst others... we should be excited that we're gonna win the WS in 2010.
I'm not sure why Yankee fans are giving up so soon. They were worse at this time last year...
They're getting too used to losing......and the funniest part about it is the hope they have for next year. Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy HAHAHAHAHAH. Next their going to try and sell us that Humberto Sanchez isn't the most overrated prospect in yankeetown since........well Hughes and Kennedy lmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Sabathia SCREAMS of Barry Zito so I hope the Yanks do land his inconsistent arse. Sure, he's not on as steep a decline (cliff) Zito was in his last year or two with Oakland and current couple seasons with SF, but I for one would not want to touch Sabathia for the amount of coin he'll demand. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SIGN HIM STEINBRENNAR!!! Tex is a good player.......but not worth the coin he'll demand either and face it, it's not the offense where the problems lie so I truly hope you do get him.
Sabathia hasn't had any sort of decline...He's coming off a Cy Young season. This year, he had 4 bad starts, Since then, he has a 2.01 ERA on 58.1 innings with a 60:11 K:BB ratio. Sabathia's statistics have been on the RISE leading up to this year, and by the end of this year, he's going to have good numbers as well. 4 bad starts isn't a decline, or a sign of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I wouldn't give 6-7 years to him, as he's a hefty dude, so there's an inherent health risk in that, I think, but Sabathia is FAR FAR FAR from Barry Zito, whose stats had been declining for a few years before he hit free agency.
Sabathia is no prize. I know he's pitching better now, but he blew up in the playoffs last year, and prior to last year he was OK at best and inconsistent/awful at worse. Plus he's known to pack on a pound or two.....I know darn well he's approaching an age where that catches up with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I'm on the record......he will be a major bust during his next contract. God forbid he stay healthy this year because someone (probably the yanks) will pay 20 mil or so for the next 6 years plus and be burned big time. So stat god.......you willing to go on record against that?? If not, then why argue.....because those who watch the game and watch Sabathia want no part of his next contract. He may be a servicable pitcher for a bit, but clearly nowheres near the ace money he'll be demanding.
Problem is, there is always a couple teams willing to open the vault and make a dumb signing........go for it Yanks!
I agree signing a pitcher like that can be risky, but wieght didnt kill of David wells too much.
As far as last year, Yes Sabathia didnt pitch all that great but he went 5 IP and gave up 3 runs to yankees and left with a 6 run lead, game six he pitched 6 IP and gave up 4 runs, and really only got shelled in game one V boston. But that could have had something to do that he had pitch. 250 innings almost 20% more than he had ever pitched in a season before.
I love Cat Knights idea!
Yankees should trade for Washburn and sign Suxson.
Ya know... I am not sure either. I definitely haven't gave up on them. I still think they will take the division this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
And this is why you're considered a troll on the espn message boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Come on, ya biased Sawx fan... Getting used to losing? Yeah... winning 95 games consistently certainly is losing. At least we'll never ever be lovable LOSERS. Phil Hughes is still the real deal, and I tend to believe that Ian Kennedy will be fine... what about Clay Buchholz and his 5.53 ERA; I'd say he is the one that is overrated.
Sabathia screams Barry Zito huh? I don't think so... Zito has been declining at a MAJOR rate even since his Cy Young year. Sabathia maybe a little fat, but so was Wells, so is Schilling, so is Clemens, and it didn't seem to slow them down from having a terrific career. C.C. has more + pitches, way more velocity, and has more of a track record than Zito has ever had.
Also, Josh Beckett has like a 4.30 ERA... I guess he is definitely on a decline also.
Haha, C.C. is no prize? Ok, guess an ACE is not considered a prize. Sure, he has struggled in the post season, but it's not like he has had a lot of chances. C.C. is only 27 years old, and has only went over 200 innings like 2 times. I could see him pitching great well into his early 30's, and pitching good into his mid 30's.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Haha, talk about DUMB signings... Fan of a team that signed Lugo, and Drew.
3 games...Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
:confused: Prior to last year, he had 4 average years (2001, 2002, 2004, 2005), a solid year (2003), and a great year (2006). In other words, a very valuable pitcher, and is just now hitting the usual peak years.Quote:
and prior to last year he was OK at best and inconsistent/awful at worse.
Right, like I said. He's not a good risk for a long-term deal.Quote:
Plus he's known to pack on a pound or two.....I know darn well he's approaching an age where that catches up with you.
Cut it out with the snarky "stat" nonsense. Read my last statement:Quote:
I'm on the record......he will be a major bust during his next contract. God forbid he stay healthy this year because someone (probably the yanks) will pay 20 mil or so for the next 6 years plus and be burned big time. So stat god.......
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I wouldn't give 6-7 years to him, as he's a hefty dude, so there's an inherent health risk in that, I think, but Sabathia is FAR FAR FAR from Barry Zito, whose stats had been declining for a few years before he hit free agency.
No, I'm not willing to go on the record against that, AS I SAID, because I don't really disagree. He's a huge risk for a longterm contract due to his weight. I just am saying that he's far from where Barry Zito was. Zito had already obviously begun declining when he was given a gigantic contract. Sabathia hasn't, and if anything, has only been getting better. HOWEVER, I agree with you that a 6+ year contract for a player like him would likely turn out badly. I wouldn't go over 4 years with him.Quote:
you willing to go on record against that?? If not, then why argue.....because those who watch the game and watch Sabathia want no part of his next contract. He may be a servicable pitcher for a bit, but clearly nowheres near the ace money he'll be demanding.
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You know, this bickering between Yankees and Red Sox fans over who has the better young pitchers is really getting on my nerves. Clay Buchholz has huge potential. So does Phil Hughes. Neither has done that well in the majors. They're also both very young. The HUGE majority of "top" pitching prospects don't make it. The odds are heavily against ALL pitching prospects. It's completely silly to argue over which Red Sox and Yankees pitchers have been busts after like barely 100 innings in the bigs for each pitcher, when each pitcher is still in their early 20's. As of right now, NONE of them are busts. It's far too early to say anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Huh?? I don't believe I've ever posted on the ESPN message board?? WTF lol??Quote:
And this is why you're considered a troll on the espn message boards.
In Yankeetown, winning 95 games consistently and blowing turds in the playoffs 'is considered losing'!! They've said for I don't know how many years now, anything less than getting to or even winning a WS is a dissapointment and failure. Those aren't my feelings, thats the Yankee's brass. Spending that kind of money, I can't blame them, and any real Yankee fan has to feel the same way. If the Red Sox don't make it to the WS this year, it is a losing season & a disappointment, even though there are many competitive teams in the league. Be honest with yourself will ya?Quote:
Come on, ya biased Sawx fan... Getting used to losing? Yeah... winning 95 games consistently certainly is losing. At least we'll never ever be lovable LOSERS.
Well, I did go a bit overboard. I do believe Hughes has alot of talent though by no means is he the messiah NYY fans have made him to be. You don't see me in here tooting the horns of any prospect pitchers (including Bucholtz) because I've seen too many can't misses...miss. I have always said I like Lester's mental makeup and see him as a Frank Viola #1 or #2 pitcher one day. But I have in no way gone out of the way to tout him as a can't miss. Kennedy and Sanchez however, you know the Yankee fans have to wake up one day and realize that their farm system is more a product of marketing than talent. Nearly every scout said Kennedy was a number three at best, but the Yankee machine touted him as the next Pettite practically. They pump up their prospects so much....they easily sell their fans how great these prospects are and often sell many of those firms that rank prospects the same. It's called spin, and they Yanks put such a spin on their prospects its rediculous. Now every team surely does it, but the Yankees are the standard bearer.Quote:
Phil Hughes is still the real deal, and I tend to believe that Ian Kennedy will be fine... what about Clay Buchholz and his 5.53 ERA; I'd say he is the one that is overrated.
Yes, in the 'fact' he will get a huge contract and then toilet! Even the statheads (not referring to the sensitive HGM) are afraid of him, and statistically everything points to him at or neariing the peak level of his career. Mental makeup, work ethic, those are all things that stats cannot quantify and where Sabathia has serious question marks. No need to debate it further, just after the Yanks sign him to 100+ million, remember where to find this thread and bring it up in a couple years and apologize for your ignorance.:pQuote:
Sabathia screams Barry Zito huh?
I never said the Red Sox don't make dumb signings. Were those any worse than Pavano, Giambi, Farnsworth, Irabu, Igawa, Brown, Damon, Clemens (rd2), etc.etc.etc. I was too surprised to see just how terrible Lugo was last year, and watching Drew no doubt he was less than stellar lol. Drew has not been horrific, his OBP has been pretty good and there is still hope that year two allows him to relax a bit. Regardless, I agreed at the time they way overpaid for what he brings.Quote:
Haha, talk about DUMB signings... Fan of a team that signed Lugo, and Drew.
Prior to 06 he was not ace quality which is the money being discussed here, and 06 being 'ace' quality of this financial magnitude is also iffy but i'll give it to ya. 07 he was great...and as you mention he should just now be hitting the peak years. That said, why statistically would you be concerned about him? For the same reasons I mentioned however, mental makeup, work ethic, weight. Stats can't help us make a fiscally responsible decision. Someone brought up David Wells. Wells IMO had EMENSE talent but never harnessed it because of his subpar work ethic and weight difficulties. He did however have that 'mental makeup' that no I can't quantify in numbers but yes we all know or should know what I'm referring to. His emense talent and makeup allowed him to overcome his poor work ethic. Sabathia doesn't have the talent or makeup of Wells.Quote:
Prior to last year, he had 4 average years (2001, 2002, 2004, 2005), a solid year (2003), and a great year (2006). In other words, a very valuable pitcher, and is just now hitting the usual peak years.
Your statements are fair and reasonable, I agree with most but would not even go 4 with CC. Honestly, I'd be cautious at going three and it's a moot point because if he's halfway decent this year he'll be looking at 5 plus without question.Quote:
HOWEVER, I agree with you that a 6+ year contract for a player like him would likely turn out badly. I wouldn't go over 4 years with him.
I agree, they shouldn't be called busts. In some cases (Kennedy) I think we can honestly debate whether he's been overrated at this point however. That aside, none are busts, but my problem is how Yankee fans scream that Hughes is the next Koufax. LAST YEAR Mike Francesca on the syndicated Mike & the Mad Dog pinned the hopes of the yankee season in early summer on Phil Hughes!! That was last year!! Completely stupid statements and expectations for this kid. Yankee fans put way too much pressure and expectations on this kid.Quote:
You know, this bickering between Yankees and Red Sox fans over who has the better young pitchers is really getting on my nerves. Clay Buchholz has huge potential. So does Phil Hughes. Neither has done that well in the majors. They're also both very young. The HUGE majority of "top" pitching prospects don't make it. The odds are heavily against ALL pitching prospects. It's completely silly to argue over which Red Sox and Yankees pitchers have been busts after like barely 100 innings in the bigs for each pitcher, when each pitcher is still in their early 20's. As of right now, NONE of them are busts. It's far too early to say anything.
Statistically, you shouldn't be concerned about him, which is my point - he's very different from Barry Zito. Zito had already been declining when he was given a megadeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I think Sabathia's talent is far and away better than that of Wells. However, I don't know about his makeup. I haven't heard these accusations of poor mental makeup and bad work ethic that you've said have been said about Sabathia. Care to point me to anything saying that (manager quotes, player quotes, etc.)?Quote:
For the same reasons I mentioned however, mental makeup, work ethic, weight. Stats can't help us make a fiscally responsible decision. Someone brought up David Wells. Wells IMO had EMENSE talent but never harnessed it because of his subpar work ethic and weight difficulties. He did however have that 'mental makeup' that no I can't quantify in numbers but yes we all know or should know what I'm referring to. His emense talent and makeup allowed him to overcome his poor work ethic. Sabathia doesn't have the talent or makeup of Wells.
True. Yankee fans have made Kennedy out to be some up and coming ace. However, nearly all scouts have concurred that his upside is that of a solid mid-rotation starter.Quote:
I agree, they shouldn't be called busts. In some cases (Kennedy) I think we can honestly debate whether he's been overrated at this point however.
Mike & the Mad Dog say hilariously stupid things so much, that I wouldn't even put any weight into anything they say, lol.Quote:
That aside, none are busts, but my problem is how Yankee fans scream that Hughes is the next Koufax. LAST YEAR Mike Francesca on the syndicated Mike & the Mad Dog pinned the hopes of the yankee season in early summer on Phil Hughes!! That was last year!! Completely stupid statements and expectations for this kid. Yankee fans put way too much pressure and expectations on this kid.
This is so ironically comical, coming from the guy who takes issue with every stupid statement Dusty Baker has to say LMAO.Quote:
Mike & the Mad Dog say hilariously stupid things so much, that I wouldn't even put any weight into anything they say, lol.
How bout a self-admission from CC himself? Below is a link to a sporting news article. I cut out and italicized the paragraphs which claim that CC admitted that he isn't a big 'workout warrior' or so it was put. I've seen and heard this quite a bit throughout the years. For many years he was expected to be one of the best in the game. It all came together last year, but I for one don't believe it will last.Quote:
I think Sabathia's talent is far and away better than that of Wells. However, I don't know about his makeup. I haven't heard these accusations of poor mental makeup and bad work ethic that you've said have been said about Sabathia. Care to point me to anything saying that (manager quotes, player quotes, etc.)?
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=399816
"Sabathia has slumped before, but he never has done that on the heels of a season with 256 1/3 innings. A generation ago, that would not have been an extraordinary number of innings for a season. In the current climate of five-man rotations, pitch counts and the three-round playoff meat grinder, working 250-plus innings can be a draining iron-man feat. It can be even harder on an oversized pitcher who is less than a workout warrior, as Sabathia admits is true of him."
Like Sabathia, Fernandez was 26 years old when he joined the 250-inning club. Fernandez pitched 258 innings with the Chicago White Sox in '96 but made only 64 more starts and was finished by age 30. Fernandez, like Sabathia, also had a laissez faire approach to conditioning.
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Very honorable way to hope your rival team doesn't beat you. I bet your quote is "Yankees, can't beat em', so let's hope they get removed from the MLB".Quote:
Originally Posted by CatKnight
And I know your post isn't something you expect to happen... but it definitely is something you're wishing for.