Jeff Kent - HOFer?

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

Players on the farm team.

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Same thing. That's a horrible way to evaluate who is a better player.

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

And seriously, stop implying that I'm attempting to deceive you or anyone else.

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I don't think you're attempting to deceive anybody, nor am I implying that you are. I think you're just trying to start arguments by jumping in whenever anybody uses a stat you dislike and making things up just to be clever, not to deceive anybody.

But, rather than making claims about something I'm not doing, why don't you actually, you know, prove that those numbers aren't just random numbers off the top of your head? How was Ryne Sandberg better than Roberto Alomar?

So your "scale" uses measures like home run titles?

And it weighs power more than getting on-base?

You know what, I'm dropping this conversation. I have a hard time believing this ridiculous formula even exists, and any formula based on comparing players to those in his own organization deos not let you compare players in any accurate manner.

this was a pretty comical thread lol. :D:D

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

It sets an accurate replacement value. Replacement value isn't weighed heavily in the formula, however, for obvious reasons. It only shows the players value to his team.

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In other words, it has absolutely no value in comparing players to each other.

Putting any weight to the players in a given player's own organization makes it so that the stat has little use in comparing two players with one another.

This is ridiculous. I'm done with this whacked out conversation.

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All I have to say is wow. :)

All I have to say is...

AAARRRGGGHHHHH!

That is all.

Idiot

I actually subscribed somewhat to this analysis. It has been some years however since I actually used it for player review. If I recall, Paul O'Neill was very highly rated as he led the team in water cooler damaging temper tantrums, displaying his grit..determination..and desire. This was the only analysis I could find that came close to measuring that kind of stuff. :D:p

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

And the monkey flings the poo

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As deep a layer as you've dumped in this thread, somebody needs to fling it, or better yet, start shoveling it.

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

Get a sense of humour.

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I've got that covered--in fact, I feel a bit guilty of how much I've laughed at you while reading this thread.

No. Offense yes, defense no. So no.

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Originally Posted by grasshopper

No. Offense yes, defense no. So no.

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Was he that bad of a defender to offset his offense? By all accounts, Rogers Hornsby was a terrible defender, but that shouldn't keep somebody out of the Hall of Fame, unless their defense was SO bad that it offset their offense, and most players that play enough to even qualify for the Hall of Fame don't have defense that was THAT bad, as players who suck that much at defense either a) change positions, b) become a DH, or c) just don't make it.

Ok, I will give you that. If you take Kent and put him next to other 2b in the HOL, he will stack up. Also, I gotta give him a kind of Ripkenesk salute. That man played full out everywhere he went. He could have been moved to 1b like every other power hitter these days (Pujols and now Cabrera), but stuck with it. Joe Morgan doesnt want him because he is top 3 of all time.

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Originally Posted by grasshopper

Ok, I will give you that. If you take Kent and put him next to other 2b in the HOL, he will stack up.

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So, what's the argument against him then?

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Joe Morgan doesnt want him because he is top 3 of all time.

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Hm? What do you mean by this?

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Joe Morgan doesnt want him because he is top 3 of all time.

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I'm lost...

Kent is clean and he hates Bonds , so YES. Most other players won't be voted in since they did some type of drugs. The choices will be so depleted that Kent will beat out the Cubs ground crew chief. But I thought i saw that grounds crew chief smoking something the other day? ;)

Sorry about the reference. Joe Morgan, the cool calm voice of ESPN baseball, said recently during a game that he didnt think Kent would make the HOF. Jon Miller argued him into it after awhile though. Morgan held out though so you know that he dont like it. That is all. Remember, Joe is probably one of the best 2b ever. I was just saying he doesn't want the competition.

Ah, I get it. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by grasshopper

Sorry about the reference. Joe Morgan, the cool calm voice of ESPN baseball, said recently during a game that he didnt think Kent would make the HOF. Jon Miller argued him into it after awhile though. Morgan held out though so you know that he dont like it. That is all. Remember, Joe is probably one of the best 2b ever. I was just saying he doesn't want the competition.

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That would be silly, and incredibly selfish, of Joe. Whether or not Kent makes the Hall of Fame is irrelevent to where Kent ranks among second basemen all-time. It's quite blindingly obvious that Kent is far from Morgan's level.

Kent's an average to slightly below average defender, with below average speed, and an above average bat. Why is "one-dimensional" considered an insult, when that one-dimension is the most valuable dimension there is for a position player? I never understood that. Like those people that say McGwire doesn't belong in the HOF, regardless of steroids, because he was "one-dimensional."

JEFF KENT SUCKS

ok ok that might be some anger over losing david cone for a coupla turkeys who we then lost for more turkeys ....

but still

JEFF KENT SUCKS

lol

I'd say that Kent is probably one of the top 20 secondbasemen of all-time and maybe even the top 10 (barely) He should get in.