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My only contention really is that the people that repeat this tired drivel claim to be "expert analysts." When I hear an expert analyst, I expect to hear some...you know...expert analysis. If they're going to repeat this stuff, then they shouldn't claim to be experts. They should claim to be...staters of the obvious.
But if I asked you why a Porshe is such a good car and you said "It really runs well" , what informantion have you given me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
it's sad how many players really DON'T know how to play the game.
if your fast and you fly out your an idiot.
an outfielder that throws the ball to the wrong base allowing the hitter to get to 2nd and taking away doubleplay possibilities is an idiot.
trying to make it on the fly with a throw from the wall to home. you guessed it an idiot.
not understanding that a guy having problems finding the plate will most likely throw balls and you shouldnt swing. again idiot.
there are alot of heads up ballplayers. dont assume that just because they made the majors though that they all know how to play because they don't.
But if I said, "it's got a great engine" that does tell you something and is IMO a better comparison to the baseball quote of "he knows how to play the game".Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
I couldn't agree with you more but don't be surprised when someone takes your claim that "they all don't know how to play the game" and trivializes it to say that you mean all players don't know their way to first base.Quote:
there are alot of heads up ballplayers. dont assume that just because they made the majors though that they all know how to play because they don't.
Every single Major League Baseball player knows how to play the game of baseball. You cannot become a professional athlete without knowing how to play the game you play. It's impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabruinss
What?Quote:
if your fast and you fly out your an idiot.
Or a mistake.Quote:
an outfielder that throws the ball to the wrong base allowing the hitter to get to 2nd and taking away doubleplay possibilities is an idiot.
Even if you have that ability?Quote:
qtrying to make it on the fly with a throw from the wall to home. you guessed it an idiot.
Or a free swinger.Quote:
not understanding that a guy having problems finding the plate will most likely throw balls and you shouldnt swing. again idiot.
Yes. They do know how to play the game. They may not be as good as other players are. They may make some mistakes. But making a mistake does not mean you do not know how to play baseball. It means you're a human being.Quote:
there are alot of heads up ballplayers. dont assume that just because they made the majors though that they all know how to play because they don't.
I don't think that's a better comparison. Some cars have bad engines, some have good engines. Every baseball player knows how to play baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
You can't possibly equate making mistakes with not knowing how to play. It's ludicrous.Quote:
I couldn't agree with you more but don't be surprised when someone takes your claim that "they all don't know how to play the game" and trivializes it to say that you mean all players don't know their way to first base.
o.k. houstongm your 18 years old. you really havent been around long enough. the truth is there are guys that can't play but they get by because they have a specialty. some are great at defense while others are total power hitters and have no idea what a glove even is let alone which base to throw it to. you also have world class sprinters playing just because they are fast. how many players with world class speed cant even steal a base. how many power hitters cant hit a ball. why is it catchers make the best managers. they are most likely the ones that knew everything as a kid and they never lost it.
Entirely irrelevent.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabruinss
This does not equal not knowing how to play baseball.Quote:
the truth is there are guys that can't play but they get by because they have a specialty.
Hyperbole at its best.Quote:
some are great at defense while others are total power hitters and have no idea what a glove even is let alone which base to throw it to.
None of this is not knowing how to play baseball. You seem to be confusing having limited skills with a lack of knowledge. Every fast guy who made it to the bigs because of his speed still knows how to play baseball. Every fast guy that isn't good at getting jumps or reading pitchers and thus not good at stealing bases still knows how to play baseball. Every power hitter who can't hit for average still knows how to play baseball.Quote:
you also have world class sprinters playing just because they are fast. how many players with world class speed cant even steal a base. how many power hitters cant hit a ball.
By your fabulous logic, there is no baseball player that knows how to play, since they all have weaknesses. I guess Ted Williams doesn't know how to play baseball because he sucked defensively.
This is entirely irrelevent to the discussion. Some players are more intelligent than others, some players know more about the ins and outs of the game, but they all know how to play. Also, managing also requires communication skills, and catchers play the position that requires the highest level of communication, which is part of the reason why they tend to make the best managers.Quote:
why is it catchers make the best managers. they are most likely the ones that knew everything as a kid and they never lost it.
Yes, there really is. That is why when a player plays well, I like to hear "He's a good player" not "He knows how to play the game" because many players know how to play the game but aren't good. In fact, every single professional baseball player knows how to play the game, but most aren't average or better major league players.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
Chess is a strategical game. Knowing the ins and outs of the strategies and thus being a better chess player does not mean that lesser chess players don't know how to play chess. It means they aren't as good at it. Every person who plays chess knows how to play chess. If a chess analyst said about a good player, "He knows how to play chess" that would be terrible analysis and tell you absolutely nothing.Quote:
Take chess for instance - Many people know the moves, and the rules, but 'knowing how to play the game' can make one a grandmaster. Some of the dumbest people I know can kick a smarter person's butt in chess, simply by retraining their mind to deal with the game.
Saying that a baseball player knows how to play baseball..or perhaps my favorite, saying a baseball player is a baseball player, isn't stating the obvious?Quote:
But it isn't really obvious, since you can't grasp the concept.
Check mate. This pretty much bullseye the fact you are taking the statement far too literally. I think you are pretty intelligent too and you know what they are saying but you are simply clinging onto it out because you are too stubborn to admit so. Maybe I'm giving you too much credit and you really don't get it.Quote:
Yes, there really is. That is why when a player plays well, I like to hear "He's a good player" not "He knows how to play the game" because many players know how to play the game but aren't good. In fact, every single professional baseball player knows how to play the game, but most aren't average or better major league players.
More catchers become major league managers than other positions simply 'because they know how to play the game'.
nuff said.
I feel like i'm talking to my 19 year old son dasox
well...i've had alot of PC time the last couple days and got pretty tired of seeing him pick others posts apart and question each and every point twisting them around for what seems like pure enjoyment....so I decided to do the same to his posts and probably wound him up a bit too tight lol. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dabruinss
Nobody forces you to read anything. Also, I'm not the only person that doesn't like hearing tired drivel from analysts. As you can see from this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
I know what they "mean", but really, it means so many different things to different people, which is another reason why it gives no information. Some people say it to talk about players that "play above their tools." Some people say it to talk about smart guys like Kevin Youkilis. Some people say it to talk about guys that hustle a lot. It has varied meanings depending on who is saying it and who the subject is that they're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
My point is that "expert analysts" shouldn't use it. They should give expert analysis. Or not call themselves experts.
I don't really care when a manager says it about a player, or a player says it about another play. I care when people claim to be experts and then resort to nothing but meaningless cliches that provide no information.
Call it nitpicking, whatever, but I prefer that baseball's expert analysts give expert analysis.