Your personal view on Women in sports/baseball

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Originally Posted by dickay

So Jackie Robinson had no right to complain about hate crimes, being called a nig__, and the like because he chose to play baseball??

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C'mon man, you know the two situations are not at all analagous. A women playing a sport would have every right to complain if she was being called sexist names, being subjected to harassment, etc. Being treated like every other player, and not getting preferential treatment due to your sex, does not fall anywhere near those categories.

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It is hypocritical for you to say they should have everything equal, and then say they should be separate however.

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I don't think that it's at all hypocritical to say that men and women should be allowed to play the same sport, but still get naked in separate locker rooms.

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Truth is, everything comes as a package, and providing a separate locker room for one female on a team of 25 players is segregating her. There will probably be numerous other obstacles that segregate her which she'd have to deal with, similar to Jackie Robinson but to a far less degree.

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You know what, if the girl wants to be in the locker room with 24 men, than sure, let her. But I'd be willing to bet that there'd be very few girls that would want to do that. There are some pretty obvious reasons why there should be separate changing and shower areas for males and females. I don't think it's at all similar to the racial issue, although I would admit that any female playing a "man's sport" would have to face some obstacles similar, but different, to those that Jackie Robinson faced.

Well 1st off the the question is women in "PRO BASEBALL/SPORTS'

title IX as stated "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance" refers to educational/Federal funded programs, not Pro Sports.

Again I can't see why anyone would have an issue with any person, if able, to partake in a profession.

Truth be told if a woman really could help a team win someone would have tried it. Just look at basketball do you really think they could play in the NBA ? They are all far far far too small (the leading rebounder an league MVP is 6-5, 187) they would get leveled if they tried to play in the NBA. QMJHL has has women players, all who eventually failed.

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Originally Posted by gRYFYN1

Again I can't see why anyone would have an issue with any person, if able, to partake in a profession.

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Yep. That's pretty much my stance. If a person is able to do it, they should be allowed to.

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C'mon man, you know the two situations are not at all analagous. A women playing a sport would have every right to complain if she was being called sexist names, being subjected to harassment, etc. Being treated like every other player, and not getting preferential treatment due to your sex, does not fall anywhere near those categories.

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They are not different at all, other than the circumstances. You don't think a pat on the a$$ will be overblown somewhere down the line? You don't think womans rights groups will complain, or maybe some men would go too far with it and maybe get a squeeze in? You don't think on the bottom of a pile in football there would be some groping going on? Preferential treatment would have to come out of it. Pats on the a$$ would be banned and so on so forth.

Again, they should be allowed to play if they can perform.....but your simplifying the ramifications too much. Getting your own dressing room isn't being treated like every other player, it is different. Being handled differently due to circumstances out of your control (pats on the a$$ for example). Questions about ref's giving females preferential treatment on fouls would definetly exist. God forbid the woman use her looks of 'assets' or even be percieved to use them.....so many consequences which we can't even dream up.

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title IX as stated "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance" refers to educational/Federal funded programs, not Pro Sports.

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This is actually a big news story somewhere in the country. I heard it on the news but don't recall where. A male is trying to get into an all female college because of their ciricullum and other factors. Females are up in arms stating it's an all female school and he can't join but they are using title IX amongst other items to fight this. Of course, the womans rights groups arguing against were the same groups arguing for woman getting equal opportunities so it's an itriguing argument.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Yep. That's pretty much my stance. If a person is able to do it, they should be allowed to.

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Agreed.

Naahhh!

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Originally Posted by dickay

Agreed.

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Hear! Hear!

OK, I have heard tons of people say things along the lines of "Men are naturally stronger and better at most sports then women".

Just curious, who would have a better chance at becoming a pro baseball player, Bill Gates (who is a man) or Jennie Finch (who is a woman)?

Relating to the utterly ridiculous parallel between seperate locker rooms for different genders and segregation: I don't think you guys quite get this, so I'm going to give you this quote said previously by TheNamelessPoet (I acknowledge that this quote was used for a different reason, I don't intend to be taking quotes out of context here):

"they have boobies!!! jezz I was hoping I didnt have to say it. it will become a distraction to the game... and i dont care if im called sexist, or a pig, or whatever... it will be distraction"

When kids go to gym class, there is a boys' locker room and a girls' locker room. This is not a form of segregation, this is because of the possibility for sexual harassment in a mixed locker room.

Why can't a woman who is fully qualified, trained, and talented play in a "male sport"?

Why is it that almost all men don't realize that not all women want to be homemakers? We passed the 1950s (barely) and we should be past that type of stereotyping of the genders.

Not all males are tough and strong (I for one am not,I suck at sports and I've even been told that I should be strong because I'm male) and not all women are weak and unathletic.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

OK, I have heard tons of people say things along the lines of "Men are naturally stronger and better at most sports then women".

Just curious, who would have a better chance at becoming a pro baseball player, Bill Gates (who is a man) or Jennie Finch (who is a woman)?
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No said that Every man in existence is better than every woman in existence.

BUT, men are naturally bigger/stronger/more athleteic than women. The average man is over the average woman, the peak men (i.e. professional athletes) are over peak woman. It just a fact you cant really argue.

can you find a woman is better than a man in those repsects, yes you can, judt like you can find some 60 year olds that are stonger/more athletic than a 25 year old, BUT 25 years olds are just naturally stronger/more athletic than 60 year olds.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

I gotta say, for you guys who don't seem to think women are capable somehow of playing a contact sport, do yourself a favor, go watch a women's rugby game. They are downright BRUTAL on the field. I have seen women's rugby that was easily ten times more violent and impactful than the men's version, on a regular basis.

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Use to be a sport on TV called Roller Derby.
A female version of hockey but roller skates instead of ice skates
Really was womens wressaling

And no you would not put a male in the rink he would be dead before he got around once.

We're likely to see a female umpire before a female player. I remember reading a story about a female minor league umpire a couple years ago; I wonder how she's doing.

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Originally Posted by BorgHunter

We're likely to see a female umpire before a female player. I remember reading a story about a female minor league umpire a couple years ago; I wonder how she's doing.

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I remember hearing about that too, but I heard that she umpired a ST game this year.

stLouis or minor saints?