Your personal view on Women in sports/baseball

hmmm...

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

My point is they cant stand up the same to men.

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Who says?

How many have tried and failed?

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

How many have tried and failed?

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I'd be willing to put my money on "Not many".

Even so, that's the thing. Let them try. If they can do it, let them. If they can't, they can't, just like any male that can't.

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Originally Posted by gRYFYN1

Ok honestly, I think if Women can compete on the same field let them. Once they cross that border they aren't "women" in that respect, they are players like the rest, the just happen to be female.

But you can't do away with title IX and the like, for the simple reason that women aren't equal to men on a physical level. No to be mean or sexist, its just a simple fact that they can't.

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You can't have it both ways. Either they have their own sports, or they don't. They either play with the men, or they don't. Anything else isn't justifiable.

Personally I say keep the Title IX and don't let them compete. There are a couple of reasons for that. Suffice to say it's the most practical, given the current state of our society we (as a people) are not always interested in seeing the 'cream of the crop.' We would rather be all inclusive...which isn't a bad thing unless taken to extremes, but does require seperation unless you're going to discriminate against the males.

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if they're good enough to make a pro team, why not?

though i have quite a hard time seeing this happening

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

I'd be willing to put my money on "Not many".

Even so, that's the thing. Let them try. If they can do it, let them. If they can't, they can't, just like any male that can't.

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good point. I do however think it would turn into a side show and would end up as having a woman on the team as a way to sell tickets. I dont think society would aprove of it. and i, personaly woudl HATE it

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

good point. I do however think it would turn into a side show and would end up as having a woman on the team as a way to sell tickets. I dont think society would aprove of it. and i, personaly woudl HATE it

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And that's something that would be stupid and shouldn't happen....but if a female can play well enough to be on the team, I think she should be allowed to. Publicity stunts, marketing efforts, etc. I'd be opposed to. I just don't think females should be barred from trying out/participating simply by virtue of them being female.

I'll put it this way...
I HATE the DH and HATE interleague becuase thats not how the game was designed. I dont like all the F/A movement and the $$$ involved in the game. I HATE how its even more of a buisness than it used to be... I KNOW it has always been a buisness but now its different. I want baseball from the 20s-60's and even the 70's. Bring back REAL baseball and get rid of all this extra **** so why add another thing to not like. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

And that's something that would be stupid and shouldn't happen....but if a female can play well enough to be on the team, I think she should be allowed to. Publicity stunts, marketing efforts, etc. I'd be opposed to. I just don't think females should be barred from trying out/participating simply by virtue of them being female.

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i thinnk it would BECOME a publicity stunt tho thats the problem

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

I HATE the DH and HATE interleague becuase thats not how the game was designed.

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The game also wasn't designed to have black and foreign players. ;)

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I dont like all the F/A movement

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You'd rather players be slaves to one team>?

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I HATE how its even more of a buisness than it used to be... I KNOW it has always been a buisness but now its different.

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That's because society is different.

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I want baseball from the 20s-60's and even the 70's. Bring back REAL baseball and get rid of all this extra **** so why add another thing to not like. *shrug*

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:rolleyes: heh

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Originally Posted by CatKnight

You can't have it both ways. Either they have their own sports, or they don't. They either play with the men, or they don't. Anything else isn't justifiable.

Personally I say keep the Title IX and don't let them compete. There are a couple of reasons for that. Suffice to say it's the most practical, given the current state of our society we (as a people) are not always interested in seeing the 'cream of the crop.' We would rather be all inclusive...which isn't a bad thing unless taken to extremes, but does require seperation unless you're going to discriminate against the males.I

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My point was, Title IX already discriminates against males. Some people want to take that even further, by allowing women to compete in historically male sports while excluding males from competing in other sports. This is an egregious double standard and should not be allowed to happen. Much like supporting the NAACP while saying that a NAAWP (white people) is racist. And don't bring up the KKK, because we all know that that IS racist and is an abomination that should be eliminated at every opportunity. But does that excuse the existence of the NAACP and not an NAAWP? I don't think so. As the old saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

The game also wasn't designed to have black and foreign players. ;)[/quite}
It was never "designed" that way. It was not in the rules that black players couldnt play they just were blackballed. there is a rule is there not stating that women can't play


[quite]You'd rather players be slaves to one team>?

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I dont mean slaves to 1 team. i mean all the jumping around from 1 team to another. If it wanst such a $$$ issue aer you really telling me Torri Hunter would not be on the twins, willis/cabrerra not on the marlins, even vlad on the expos/nationals.

If you really think about it The mariners would have won for a VERY long time with arod/griffey/Martinez/Cameron/Oleroud/Johnson oven garcia and moyer were decent. the could have averaged over 100 wins for 3-5 years and DOMINATED the way the Yankees did.

THe point is its not the owners, or in reality the players faults. Honestly I have to say its the players Union. Ant trus me I am a fan of unions (tho im sure that will start an argument so I will not comment on it again) I think the players union has everyone by the balls and can do what they want. I Honestly think you wnat to get everything straightoned out, have a lockout... It's going to KILL the casual fan base but the diehard fan would love it if everone threw up their hands and said Look we made a mistake. We have instilled penalties to try and weed these guys out who are using PED's and it jsut isnt working. we are Going to start mandatory resting every month starting next year. If you dont like it... retire.

The high salaries are not due to the Player's Union. It's due to the fact that baseball is in high demand, and the fans are willing to pay high prices, which in turn allows players to demand more money from teams.

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Originally Posted by beerchaser

My point was, Title IX already discriminates against males. Some people want to take that even further, by allowing women to compete in historically male sports while excluding males from competing in other sports. This is an egregious double standard and should not be allowed to happen. Much like supporting the NAACP while saying that a NAAWP (white people) is racist. And don't bring up the KKK, because we all know that that IS racist and is an abomination that should be eliminated at every opportunity. But does that excuse the existence of the NAACP and not an NAAWP? I don't think so. As the old saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right.

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Its like afermitave action. It worked PERFECTLY the way it was supposed to, forcing companies to higher minorities into positions of power. The problem is now it is excluding people from jobs because it is a REQUIREMENT to have a certain % of minorities. That to me is wrong but a topic for a different day.