Andruw's struggles not helping his case for Hall

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

How can you judge a player's BVORP (Ovorp isnt even close to being correct as running stats aren't included, nor are any smallball stats)

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Holy ****ing schmoley. Cut it out with this freaking name stuff. Seriously, it's beyond pointless. Batting Value over Repalcement Player. Offensive Value OVer repalcement Player. OH MY GOD. JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

Show me one statistic that takes into account each individual team's strategies. One. Besides the statistics that track what managers do, there isn't any. I don't even know how you would even begin to do account for different team strategies.

I guess every statistic is just bad because it doesn't take into account strategies. **** all statistics to ****.


Seriously, come on now. There are some very legitimate gripes with VORP, and people here are whining about the NAME and the fact that it doesn't do something that every other statistic doesn't do as well. Maybe it's time to take a step back and realize that you're just grasping at straws here (and not even mentioning any legitimate issues with VORP, none of which invalidate the statistic).

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

(Besides, you were the one who suggested changing the name from vorp to something else - I just suggested something a little more accurate. - :) )

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I only did it because you're all just whining about the name, so maybe if you just think of it as named something else you'll all feel a little better. I think it's perfectly fine by it's current name. But then again, I'm not going to nitpick a stat's name. The stat could be called BFFLJORP for all I care, as long as it does what it's meant to do.

And yeah, Batting VORP is SO MUCH mroe accurate than Offensive VORP. :rolleyes:

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And you think because you can't come up with a stat that takes into consideration strategies no one else can? WTF. Overselling yourself a little? LOL

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Um, no. Show me a stat that does, though.

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Maybe it's time for you to realize that bvorp is extremely limited

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It's limited to offensive value. Yes. That's what it's meant for. It's not end-all-be-all stat. It's one stat. It must be used in conjunction with other stats. Holy heck.

Of friggen course it's limited. Every stat is limited.

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is pointless to quote the stats from since no one even knows how it works.

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I guess the articles that have been linked to that do show how it works were just imaginary or something?

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You're grasping at straws trying to defend this stat.

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You're trying to disprove the validity of a stat by whining about what it's named, and by saying that it's just like every other stat in that it doesn't account for team-specific strategies...and I'm the one grasping at straws? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by yankee hater

That's pretty much the consensus of the forum, yes.

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Heh, you're the forum now?

I could argue against VORP better than you've been, because I at least know the issues that it does have, and I'm not going to waste time nitpicking it's name.

Their not making arguments against the stat, though. That seems obvious to me.

Heh, true.