Haha, PMW. Personally, I would prefer Randy Johnson, the Yankee's closer Rivera, and Jon Lester for my 1-2-3 combo:
Johnson Mo' Lester
or, potentially
'Big Unit' Mo' Lester
But enough of my immature silliness
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Haha, PMW. Personally, I would prefer Randy Johnson, the Yankee's closer Rivera, and Jon Lester for my 1-2-3 combo:
Johnson Mo' Lester
or, potentially
'Big Unit' Mo' Lester
But enough of my immature silliness
Yeah, using the flawed "Win" stat. The Yankees scored more runs than the Diamondbacks is the more accurate assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickD
Then stop using wins as a judge of pitcher ability.Quote:
Yes!
That's all fine and good, you should root for your players and all.. but when it comes to discussing actual evaluation, it's better to try to be a little more objective.Quote:
See though I am a fan...so I can look at stats until I am blue in the face but in the end, I love the Yanks, I like Wang and I think he is the best thing going right now. This is what makes baseball great. Fans standing behind their teams. I love the Yanks. Always have, Always will. Yes they have stunk at times, I can admit that, however Wang is 6-0!
At least you admit you're being irrational. :pQuote:
So the discussion can go on for pages but I hear what you are saying and as an irrational, die hard Yanks fan all I can say is :p
Only if that was the case. :) (And such a discrepancy likely never would happen because it would take both a ridiculously great offense on the one team and a ridiculously horrendous offense on the other)Quote:
If Petitte Moose Wang went 20-0 HGM would still argue a 1-15 pitcher was better because of run support for PMW!
We'll just say that Wang is top 5 and call it a day, ok?
You know, this thread had me shaking my head yesterday. This absolute blind loyalty that a couple of yankee fans feel for their Wang , in the face of overwhelming opposition. I mean, here, trying to convince them that Wang is not the best pitcher in baseball is roughly the equivalent of attempting to persuade a stubborn 5 year old that Santa Claus doesn't exist.
To top it off, they are so devoted to the Yankees, inarguably the most evil organization in the history of modern civilization. Well, I would like to announce that I am moved nearly to tears by their determination and loyalty. I am now convinced that Wang, indeed, is the best pitcher in the game. Go Wang.
Arguably. Webb, Santana, Peavy, Sabathia, Beckett, Lackey, Kazmir, Lincecum, Young.....He's one of the top pitchers, yes, and I haven't disputed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
YES, MY GOAL! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
Wang pwns Beckett, Lincencum, Lackey, Kaz, and Young.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
http://minors.baseball-reference.com....cgi?pid=18426
Too bad this guy wasn't in the majors...I think a little Wang-Chung in your rotation would really make the opposition sweat! :D
Of course I agree that the Yankees - despite having a long line of great, talented players, and being a storied franchise - have been ruled by evil men doing evil things (from a Sox perspective, of course). There's a whole other thread talking about how they treated players, how they used Kansas City to obtain extra draft talent, the Steinbrenner-babble, etc.
But evil organization - hey, what about Monsanto? Yankees got nothing on these guys!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
Randy Johnson already has one of the best names in MLB. To also call him Big Unit just seems to be a bit of overkill to me.
Sure he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Lackey is criminally underrated. From 2005-2007, he went 46-25 with a 134 ERA+. He allowed 8.71 hits per 9 and 2.70 walks per 9, and struck out 7.86 batters per 9.
Wang, over the same period, went 46-18 with a 119 ERA+, allowing 9.19 H/9, 2.41 BB/9, and 3.8 K/9.
Chris Young, over that period, had a 117 ERA+. Scott Kazmir, 128. Josh Beckett, 115.
Lincecum has a 128 ERA+ in 30 starts.
Yeah, Wang doesn't "pwn" then. It's a lot closer than you're probably willing to admit.
Wang! Wang! As an irrational fan I can keep this up forever. Nothing to see here move along!
Lol
HGM: Just curious, what in the helll is ERA+?
ERA+ (Link)
ERA measured against the league average, and adjusted for ballpark factors. An ERA+ over 100 is better than average, less than 100 is below average.
gRYFN1 said it perfectly. If you have a 4.50 ERA and the park-adjusted league ERA is 4.50, you have a 100 ERA+. A lower ERA, you're ERA+ will be higher. A higher ERA, you're ERA+ will be lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
It's better to use when comparing pitchers because a 2.00 ERA in 1968 in Dodger Stadium isn't equivalent to a 2.00 ERA in 2000 at Coors Field.
More importantly it shows how you did vs the league as a whole, making it easier to compare differnt times.
That's what I said! :p That's a much more succinct way to put it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Wang! Wang!
I cannot believe I just read through this entire thread...I really just wanna go punch some random old lady in the face right now...thanks guys!
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickD
That's it RickD get back on the Wang!!!!
Yankees! Yankees! Wang! Jeter! Cabrera! A-Rod! Whheeee this is fun!
I've got bad news, Rick. Since he shares the same record as Wang, but has a better ERA, fewer walks, and more strikeouts, Ervin Santana is, in fact, the best pitcher around. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RickD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
But is it as entertain to yell "Santana!Santana!" as it is "WANG! WANG!"
Yankees! THe come back is starting today!
And Brandon Webb handily beats them both!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Isn't Cliff Lee doing better than them all, this year?
Psh. Cliff Lee only has 5 wins!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
(PS: Yes.)
Yeah, but judging by his career, he will likely finish with an ERA above 4.
Ervin Santana, judging by his career will finish with a mid 4 ERA.
LORD... Gotta be the 'roids~!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloutwar
Yankees Yankees!
Now, if the Yankees could just play Arizona this year, and have "Wang vs. Randy 'Big Unit' Johnson". Sounds like a gay porn film. :D
Better yet, the Steinbrenner boys come out and say "Big money is bad for the competative balance in baseball, we propose full revenue sharing & salary caps just like the NFL." And the owners agree, and players union agrees, and suddenly the game gets interesting again for people who don't follow a team from Boston, New York, So Cal or Chicago...Quote:
Originally Posted by CatKnight
I can only hope Wang thrtow like 150 and 10 innings in this game so we can read in the Paper tomorrow :
"Yankee's Wang stiff after long night"
"Yankee's Wang sore after long night" . . . would also be fine
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Yankees ! Yankees!
Cliff Lee is understandable to think this, Santana...there's way more factors here. For the first 3 years of his career, he had incredibly wild home/road splits - 25-9 at home with a low 3 ERA and 10-21 away with a high 6 ERA. He's just 25, and a 25 year old pitcher ascending to a new level is far from out of the ordinary, especially when that 25 year old pitcher is a former top prospect who scouts have raved about for years. All he needed was to figure out why he was so horrific on the road, and it does look like he's done just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
In other news, Cliff Lee owned The Best Pitcher in Baseball today.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Yankees Wang Hit Hard by RangersQuote:
Originally Posted by gRYFYN1
Was it Wang who got jerked off in the Yankee bullpen according to David Cone? Was it Hughes yanking on the Wang that caused his injury?