Re: Awards and big city bias
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Red Sox Fan 734
Derek Jeter, in my mind(and yes i know i am undervaluing jeter because hes a yankee) is the worst defensive SS to win a gold glove.
He very well might be. You're not undervaluing Jeter because he's a Yankee. By every single defensive measure there is, Jeter rates as a horrible defensive shortstop. Defensive stats are still in their infancy and there are often times discrepancies between how different measures see players, but when every system out there rates Jeter has one of, if not the, worst defensive shortstop in the majors, you have to be blinded by your fandom in order to not believe it.
Re: Awards and big city bias
The one thing about Jeter is that he has marquee value. A good chunk of Derek Jeter's value is not really due to his on field performace (although that's what enabled him to be a star in the first place), but is instead due to his charisma and therefore his gate drawing power.
Re: Awards and big city bias
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ohms_law
The one thing about Jeter is that he has marquee value. A good chunk of Derek Jeter's value is not really due to his on field performace (although that's what enabled him to be a star in the first place), but is instead due to his charisma and therefore his gate drawing power.
With the Gold Glove voting, it's also because he does make very flashy plays. His spinning leaps with strong throws, the play at the plate against the Athletics in the playoffs, diving into the stands and cutting his face. Those things stick in the voters minds and make people think he's a great fielder, much like Gary Matthews' ridiculous over-the-wall catch last year has now given him a reputation as an outstanding fielder, despite the fact that he's about average. The thing with this is, take for example those spinning, leaping throws. Put another shortstop in the same play - say somebody ridiculously good who has no Gold Gloves and deserves like 4 or something - Adam Everett, and he makes the same exact play, except it looks routine because he has so much more range and doesn't need to stretch for the ball and then turn around and leap t get the runner out. He's already at the ball and can make a perfectly formed throw. It's not flashy because he's so good that hard plays look routine, so it doesn't stick in peoples' minds, and he gets no respect while a bad defensive fielder who makes some flashy plays gets praised as a fantastic shortstop.
Re: Awards and big city bias
Re: Awards and big city bias
Another good example of how poor the Gold Glove award uis was when Rafeal palmeiro recieved it a few years ago despite having played only around 40-50 games at the position he was given it for.(1st base)
Re: Awards and big city bias
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RedsoxRockies
Another good example of how poor the Gold Glove award uis was when Rafeal palmeiro recieved it a few years ago despite having played only around 40-50 games at the position he was given it for.(1st base)
You mean 28 ;)
