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The whole thing about Zito is that the Giant's should have known. Heck, the Met's should have known. Look:
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Year Ag IP H H/BFP R ER HR BB BB/BFP SO SO/BFP BFP
2000 22 92.7 64 0.170 30 28 6 45 0.120 78 0.207 376
2001 23 214.3 184 0.204 92 83 18 80 0.089 205 0.227 902
2002 24 229.3 182 0.194 79 70 24 78 0.083 182 0.194 939
2003 25 231.7 186 0.194 98 85 19 88 0.092 146 0.153 957
2004 26 213 216 0.233 116 106 28 81 0.087 163 0.176 926
2005 27 228.3 185 0.194 106 98 26 89 0.093 171 0.179 953
2006 28 221 211 0.223 99 94 27 99 0.105 151 0.160 945
2007 29 196.7 182 0.214 105 99 24 83 0.098 131 0.154 850
2008 30 28.7 41 0.291 30 24 4 15 0.106 11 0.078 141
Increasing hits per batter, increasing walks per batter, and decreasing strikeouts per batter... not a good pattern. In my opinion, Barry Zito was overused from 2001-2006, and now him and the Giants are paying the price. Hindsight is 20/20, but the trend was there before he signed with the Giants. The Mets sure must be sighing in relief though.
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Yep, all his stats were trending in the wrong direction, and it's a shame that a major league front office couldn't recognize that (or didn't care).
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Don't forget about the Mets though, who were ready and willing to deal Lastings Milledge for him.
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I recognized that sorry about a year ago in ficticious play seams to translate real here too
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What story?
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I'm usually pretty good at deciphering sheepster, but I can't figure that one out...
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At the time, as a Giants fan that didn't want them to sign Zito, it felt to me like they did so because they felt they had to do something. It seemed more about the PR of signing a big contract than about making the team better. I know Sabean is no genius, but I really feel that the ownership forces (one way or another) him to do certain things, either that or he is just a yes man alltogether.
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I'm one to own up when I thought a team should make a move and they did and it didn't work out. I say that because I hate monday morning QB's.
Is there anyone that actually thought that contract was good when they signed it? His performance was fading with Oakland prior to the big contract, and this is no surprise. Very dumb move by the Giants, and thats not Monday morning because I thought the same when they made the signing. I think the Giants overbid themselves.....who else was offering that kind of coin for this guy?
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I think the Giants overbid themselves.....who else was offering that kind of coin for this guy?
The only other offer that I've heard go public is the Mariners offer of 6 years/$90 mil.
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where do you get those stats from Ohm's? I couldn't fine them on baseball reference but I could be blind
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It was a bad deal especially in the context of the Giants being an aging team and being on the cusp of having to rebuild. It's not as though they were "one player away" from winning the big one. They have come to the realization now that rebuilding is what they are faced with, but they are saddled with that ridiculous contract for 5-6 more years. Zito would have made more sense at least for the Mets, although it would still have been too much even money for them.
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The Mets were almost ready to deal for him too though, so it's not as though giving him that sort of deal is completely whacked. Just poor judgment in my opinion, based mostly on desperation since the Giants have to know how much trouble their franchise is currently in.
You're 100% right about the length of the deal. I don't think the Mets would've come anywhere near that length. Minaya has mentioned many times that the owners will rarely approve deals in excess of three years because they can't insure those deals. Insurance on these high priced long term deals can't be bought and is something many don't realize.
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In my opinion, deals longer than 4 years are pretty much always dumb. You're better off biting the bullet and either paying more or getting a lesser talent for a few years than being saddled with some monster contract for 5, 6, or 7 years. Those contracts never pay of at the end.
...of course, they usually pay off for the first couple of years. usually.
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