describing all the bad things he's done.
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:D That might be the least supportive 'support' statement I have ever seen. And this, THIS is pure gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Daric Barton was one of the most highly-touted prospects in the nation. He placed 32nd and then 28th on Baseball America's list of top 100 prospects. In five minor league seasons, at ages ranging from 17 to 21, he had an OBP of .414.
Brian Sabean (angry): Throw him back. Bring me the corpse of Ryan Klesko!
Oh yeah. I forgot.
We're also going to compare him to another GM, and say that he's better than that GM. So, while listing all the bad things that the GM we're saying is better has done, we only mention three things that the worse GM did - never made the World Series, pulled off a masterful trade, and traded or let go guys that were about to make a ton of money which that GM didn't have.
i got about 6 sentences in before deciding that anything this writer has to say,
i dont care to read.
I'm sure i could find lots of things about both the style and substance to complain about or counter,
but considering i will never bother to read another article there... thats kinda pointless.
Which are you talking about? FJM critiquing the nonsense written about Sabean? or the nonsense written about Sabean>?
For me, I have no interest in FJM if this is how they treat people. I realize that doing such is 'cool' and 'trendy' these days, but that article was way past common human decency. It is fine to criticize the post, but not in the manner in which they did it, in my opinion.
They go over the top for humurous effect. The guys at the Cohn and Cohn blog wrote entries about what FJM said and they also emailed Junior at FJM, and then said that Junior responded civilly and decently.
I don't find that acceptable or an excuse, especially when it is not a very public figure. It is no different than making fun of the unpopular kid at school so your buddies will laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Good, he should act that way all the time. Nothing wrong with thoughtful criticism with some humor put in. But the way they did that one is inexcusable.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Which parts, in particular, are inexcusable?
See, I can't stand when professional baseball writers write such stupid things, like claiming Sabean is a better GM than Beane by listing all the bad things Sabean has done and a couple good things Beane has done. So, I think it's good that there's a site like FJM out there that actually calls the writers on the nonsense they write, even if they go over the top at times.
they write such stupid things because they are not "professional baseball writers" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
they are BLOGGERS. in general , the objective is to foment arguments. (site hits)
It is both the tone and the style that is unacceptable. Cohn is not Joe Morgan, or Tony Kornheiser or a major public figure. Sure, he has been a member of the BBWAA since 1981, and a post like that from someone of those credentials is due criticism. It is good that their is a site that will call him out. It is the manner in which they do it that I find inexcusable. I am guessing they lack the skill to criticize, entertain, and not belittle others, but that is based on a small sample size (because any time I have read an article there, I rarely finish it due to the tone/style).
Lowell Cohn is a professional baseball writer who, for his paper, runs an online blog along with his son.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
Are they writing about baseball?Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
Are they paid for their services, usually in the form of site advertising?
For what it's worth, I rarely go to the FJM site, as I find it to be petty, vicious, mean-spirited and juvenile. Its so easy to pick apart, line by line, what others say/write ( look no further than these forums), and to offer your own opinions as if your views are the ultimate, the final word, so to speak.
With the internet, more than ever, everyone is an "expert". Every 15 year old child with a computer is now an authority on everything...sports, entertainment, politics, everything. As far as ex-jocks go.....sure, they are a fountain of worn out cliches and the conventional wisdoms of their sport. Does it get a little tiresome listening to them at times? Sure. Does it get old when you have to listen to people that dont know half as much as you do (or, in your perception, at least),? Well, yes. Welcome to reality.
Its pretty normal for an individual to believe that he/she knows more than everyone else. Many delude themselves into thinking that what they believe has far more value than the views of others. I attribute this to immaturity and self doubt, partially, and character flaw, primarily. Of course, this is just my opinion....how I see things.
But I will add, that one of the things that I dont like about all forums online, including these, is that anyone can pretty much post any opinions they choose, along with the mandatory ridicule of anyone who may see things differently. This is not to say that I have not been guilty of this myself...I'm sure I have been at times, although I try to avoid it. However, I do not support any site whose sole purpose is to ridicule and demean others. (See the Fire Joe Morgan site)
I have to admit that FJM has lost it's charm for me. I'm not opposed to the sight like some of you are, but it gets old fairly quickly.
lol - well if the guy is BBWAA then i guess he is a professional.
hard to believe !
i didnt see any advertising on the page so i did presume that it was just some bonehead interested in self-glorification. The writing style could be compared to a cross between ring around the rosey and naked lunch.
actually , regardless of the BBWAA thing , i still feel that sentiment to be true.:p
its kinda like the way AOL presents the "news".
more often then not the intent is to generate "responses"
and is designed to illicit reaction. not to inform , not to provoke thought.
merely to provoke.
That's one thing about FJM. They rarely, if ever, go after non-professional writers, like your average blogger. I can't recall any time where they critiqued something written by an amateur. They only critique professional sportswriters.
k - back up a sec ... are the people AT FJM BBWAA ?
yes or no ?
lowell cohn, THE SUBJECT, is.
but those writing the article about HIM ?
No. The guys at FJM are professional writers, but they aren't professional sportswriters. They write for television (Ken Tremendous is one of the writers for The Office, and has appeared in a couple episodes).Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
As far as I know, no.