like an Electrolux. Had to put ESPN on mute, couldn't listen to him prattle on any longer. Yeah I know, nothing new here, just felt like saying it. And in other news, Confucious say... "Baseball is wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk".
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like an Electrolux. Had to put ESPN on mute, couldn't listen to him prattle on any longer. Yeah I know, nothing new here, just felt like saying it. And in other news, Confucious say... "Baseball is wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk".
Heh. Living in the New York area, I get to watch the game on YES. Michael Kay, Al Leiter, and John Flaherty are a little more tolerable. :)
But man, this is one LONG freakin game. It's been 2 and a half hours and they're in the 5th. Jeez.
In Joe Morgan news, it seems somebody else may be doing his chats this year! Yesterday's is equally level-headed. FJM hasn't done their review of it yet, but it's pretty scary!
Typical Sundays game was only 8-5 and took 4 hours ...
Post another one for Lugo, 6 errors so far on pace for a quality 60 this year.
Although more on target If you had only one bullet which color man would you take out.. Morgan or McCarver?
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Yeah I know, nothing new here, just felt like saying it.
And I don't think its said enough. Joe sucks, Joe sucks, Joe sucks, Joe sucks, Joe sucks.
As an announcer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
As a baseball player, he was amazing...and a player that Joe the Announcer might not appreciate much if he played today.
The big red machine was before my time, but amazing might be pushing it alittle bit, plus hitting in front of Foster, Perez, Bench, Griffey probably made him look better than he really was.Quote:
As a baseball player, he was amazing.
Looking at post season numbers they weren't real impressive either. Batted .135 in 7 league championships(27 games) and batted .235 in 4 World Series(23 games).
really ? 2 MVPS, top10 in mvp voting 5 straight years, 10 allstars an 392 career OBP and 5 consecutive Gold gloves and 10th alltime in steals all sound like an amazing player, who cares who else was in the lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
Career .271/.392/.427 hitter, 132 OPS+, 689 stolen bases at an 81% success rate. All as a second basemen. His 132 OPS+ ties him for 5th with Jackie Robinson among second basemen all time, behind Hornsby, Collins, and Lajoie. Morgan was also a very good defensive second basemen. His 1972-1977 peak with OPS+'s of 149, 154, 159, 169, 187, and 138 is outstanding for a second basemen. Bill James ranked him as the best second basemen of all-time. I think I'd rank Hornsby and Collins above him, but I'd put him 3rd ahead of Lajoie. Even ranking him behind Lajoie, there's no doubt in my mind that he was an amazing player and one of the all-time greatest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
I got to see him live when he was past his prime with the A's against the Mariners. Was a great game, got to see him hit a home run, and Dave Kingman hit 3 (including a grand slam). I did get to see him on TV in his prime, though, and he was amazing.
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Hate to divert from the important topic of Joe Morgan's suckitude as an announcer, but back in the time of Hornsby, Collins, and Lajoie, wasn't second base primarily an offensive position, where you put one of your best hitters? If that's the case, then Morgan would have to be the best second baseman of all time in the sense of the current responsibilities of a second baseman -- to be a good fielder as well as a hitter.
--Pet
Speaking as one who is old enough to remember Joe Morgan as a player, he could certainly hit but that spastic elbow twitch he had in the batter's box was just as annoying as his current-day rambles on ESPN. That twitch reminded me of a horse using his tail to swat flies off his ***. Lots of players have their routines they go through in the batter's box, but Morgan's was one of the weirdest I can remember seeing.
I would put him 3rd or 4th all-time behind Hornsby, Lajoie, and Sandberg.
That's true. If VORP went back that far, we could tell, but unfortunately, it doesn't. WARP does though, and that also take into account defense, so let's see.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrel
Career WARP3:
Hornsby: 159.1
Lajoie: 160.1
Collins: 174.1
Morgan: 158.4
Career Peak WARP3 (best 5 seasons):
Hornsby: 68.1
Lajoie: 63.0
Collins: 64.8
Morgan: 66.1
Either way you slice it, it's **** close.
You'd put Sandberg ahead of Eddie Collins and Joe Morgan? That better be your fandom speaking, and not based on any objective analysis. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Reade
For comparison's sake, Ryne Sandberg career WARP3 is 107, and his best 5 years are 53.5.
Since Morgan thou, I would rank them.
Career...
- Sandburg
- Alomar
- Whitaker
- Biggio
- Jeff Kent
- Baegra
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1) BiggioQuote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
2) Sandberg
3) Alomar
4) Kent
5) Whitaker
6) Baerga
is how I'd rank those guys based on peak.
WARP3 sees those guys, using their best 5 seasons:
1) Alomar 56.4
2) Sandberg 53.5
3) Biggio 52.2
4) Kent 51.6
5) Whitaker 46.2
6) Baerga 43