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C'mon Mets, Maine should be AT LEAST 3rd in the rotation...
How the helll is Oliver Perez better than John Maine???
John Maine pitches circles around Oliver Perez...
Also-
El Duque and Mike Pelfrey are HORRIBLE pitchers. We screwed up by not signing another pitcher to fill out the rotation.
P.S.
Joe Morgan just called Oliver Perez ODALIS Perez and remarked on how surprising it was that Odalis Perez was starting above John Maine (LOL)
I trhink that if Oliver stays on track and gets completely back in form, this choice will pay-off. Either way, the top 4 of their rotation is still intimidating. I agree however that after that, they have little.
The rotation order is completely irrelevent once the season starts.
The reason is probably because they want to split up their lefties and righties, going L-R-L-R.
Besides that, last season, Perez did pitch better in terms of ERA, and overall, they were pretty much identical in terms of overall value, except that Maine pitched a few more innings.
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Originally Posted by metsguy234
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The funny thing is that Odalis is the best starter on the Nats.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Maine is an overrated no-talent 4.50, .265 type arm.
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
that was what i was thinking, the difference between 3rd and 4th is basically nothing, if things fall a certain way, maybe 1 less start over the full year.... after the 1st 10 games, it isn't in an order for say.... usually matched up with an order to make sure pitchers do get there days off...
Based on what? O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by dickay
The eye test. He won't be overlooked this year and I guarentee a 4.50 ERA at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Here's my prediction
10-12, 4.68 ERA, .269 OBA
12-10 4.05 Era .250 Oba
I say 17-6 2.95 ERA .230 OBA
Well, if we're just going to throw out numbers here...
0-8, 8.65 ERA, .450 OBA, and he's on the DL for 90 days.
;)
Let's see, using actual numbers to make projections...
PECOTA: 10-7, 150 IP, 17 HR, 62 BB, 129 K, 4.13 ERA
ZIPS: 13-10, 178 IP, 23 HR, 66 BB, 148 K, 4.15 ERA
Bill James: 12-11, 200 IP, 26 HR, 81 BB, 169 K, 4.05 ERA
Marcel: 12-9, 163 IP, 21 HR, 63 BB, 141 K, 3.98 ERA
I'll take any of those or SirKodiak's.
My prediction is that the NY Post will soon report this item:
MAINE REQUESTS TRADE.
"I don't like being the fourth starter on the Mets," Maine said. "I think I could be the third starter on the Marlins."
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JayC
I am gonna make a prediction:
Maine:0-1, 1/3IP, 328 HR, 156BB, 0K, 999.99 ERA, OPB .999
and a torn rotator cuff that ends the season. Other than that, acoording to my prediction, he shouldn't be half bad, just not half good either. More or less half and half between half good and half bad.
isn't that a little harsh?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Based on his career before he came to the Mets. And based on just looking at him pitch(he doesn't have good stuff in my opinion). I think the past two seasons he had was just based on a new league getting accustomed to him. I would be very suprised if he has an ERA under 4 this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
You mean, 43 innings of bad pitching as a 23 and a 24 year old? You know, that's meaningful.Quote:
Originally Posted by defense
He's got a fastball that touches the mid-90s, along with three other solid pitches and he changes speeds well. And I'm sorry, but it's extremely difficult to strike out nearly a batter an inning without good stuff.Quote:
And based on just looking at him pitch(he doesn't have good stuff in my opinion).
I would not at all be surprised by an ERA under 4, but I wouldn't be surprised by an ERA over 4 either. I expect him to have an ERA slightly above league average, just as he was in 2007. League average is around 4.30 for a pitcher whose homepark is Shea.Quote:
I think the past two seasons he had was just based on a new league getting accustomed to him. I would be very suprised if he has an ERA under 4 this season
Maine could be the first starter on the Nationals. I lollered when I saw Odalis Perez on the mound last night.
followed by the next day's "Maine would be more comfortable on a team where he felt more comfortable" i had that one pop up the other day :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JayC
And with Maine out for the season presumably PECOTA sweeps in for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Thanks for playing everybody, the winning numbers were
10-8,140 IP,16 HR,67 BB,122 K, 4.18 ERA
I AM NOT kidding you, look it up.
All hail the mighty PECOTA :D
wow
See how accurate it is when you actually use the facts and numbers to make a projection, instead of just pulling numbers out of thin air?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Some smart ass will likely chime in with an example of where PECOTA was way off, which they'll claim is somehow proof that the system sucks. Here's the thing - every reasonable projection system will get some dead-on projections, such as PECOTA did with John Maine, and some horribly off projections, simply because baseball is a very unpredictable game. The major projection systems (PECOTA, ZiPS, CHONE, Marcel, Bill James) are all pretty accurate. Most studies into which ones are better that I've seen have PECOTA comfortably ahead of the pack when it comes to hitters, and I believe ZiPS slightly ahead of the rest when it comes to pitchers. So, projection systems, particularly high-end ones like PECOTA, are fairly accurate. In some cases, they're astonishingly accurate, and in some cases, way off. That is all.
In summary: It's hard to accurately predict the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
No. It's hard to perfectly predict the future. Impossible, in fact. Just because a projection system doesn't perfectly predict the future does not mean that it doesn't accurately predict the future. PECOTA, along with the other major projection systems, all do a fine job of accurately predicting the future, overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
I predict mets out 1st round
And you think the work they put in to do it is easy? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Why the nitpicking?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
interesting.
curious,
was the projection accounting for potential season ending injury ?
or was it projecting him to make 30 - 33 starts and get knocked out in the 5th inning on avg ?
:rolleyes:
YOU were nitpicking.
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Originally Posted by filihok
In summary: It's hard to accurately predict the future.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
[nitpick]No. It's hard to perfectly predict the future.[/nitpick]
Impossible, in fact. Just because a projection system doesn't perfectly predict the future does not mean that it doesn't accurately predict the future. PECOTA, along with the other major projection systems, all do a fine job of accurately predicting the future, overall.
[turning the other cheek to avoid another pissing contest]Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
[Houston being Houston]Why the nitpicking?[/Houston being Houston]
It projected him to make 25 starts, which is exactly how many he made. It doesn't "predict" injuries, so to speak, but factors health into the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
:rolleyes: Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
thats kind of amazing then.
thank you.
Sample size. Check ALL of PECOTA's projection.
I'm sure you'll see some that are eerily accurate and some that are pretty far off.
Yep. As I stated. But it's still pretty awesome when it (or any projection system) gets all of a player's stats basically identical.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
well when u throw 100 pitches a game and rarely make it thru the 6th...
too bad too... if he could just get his command in order he could really be a very good pitcher... never be a #1 but an ok #2 or VERY good #3