Why the heck is Congress spending time on steroids in baseball? Seriously. Why? There is absolutely no reason for Congress to devote time to this.
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Why the heck is Congress spending time on steroids in baseball? Seriously. Why? There is absolutely no reason for Congress to devote time to this.
Your Congressmen are farsighted, HGM - ever looking ahead to their next election campaign - this is a marvellous (photo)opportunity for them to hog the spotlight...they know that the media will make much of it, even if we fans don't (and, unfortunately, we do, don't we?):rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
This is just something Congress does not need to be involved in. "Think of the children" is the rhetoric they keep bringing up. Please. There's much more pressing issues that affect the children than freaking baseball players injecting things into their butt.
And it's being broadcast on EVERY national news channel. America really needs to get its priorities straight.
Yeah! They need to get back to reality TV!
ROFL!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CatKnight
True there are wars happening and this seems like a non-issue for Congress. This to me is why you have a commish in sports. If the commish is not doing his job properly then fire him and move on!
Ah....such a waste....did you go to a party....how long does it take you to golf....
Everyone at this hearing looks like a fool.
Well I think the world is safer knowing how long it takes Roger to Golf.
The children are certainly better off.
By the way, Rep. Dan Burton, I loved his line, "Gee whiz, are you kidding me? My goodness."
And He does not look like he wants to be there. His hand has been on his cheek the entire time.
He's hiding his HGH needle mark!
Is it me or does everyone there look constipated?
All I know, is hearing Congress talk about masses on buttocks so much makes me giggle.
"Palpable mass on his buttocks"
Being tired about it or not, it's an ongoing story and when something big happens like this, it's okay to discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mogul2000
Rep. Davis: "Mr. Clemens, do you recall bleeding through your pants in 2001?"
Clemens: "I do not."
There's a reason they're having the represenitives doing this. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
ok, I admit I have been paying no attention to these hearings whatsoever, but after seeing some of these phrases thrown around (which fall into the category of too much information, btw), it seems perfectly logical to me to have Congress involved. They are after all an excellent authority on being a boil on the butt of Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I loved to see Fraudger sit there and tell America that everyone else is lying and Pettite misheard what Fraudger said.
And Mr Burton-rep from Indiana before you go on National TV and blast someone maybe you should take a minute and think about your past. And Mr Shays-rep from CT you sat there and said Clemens is innocent until proven guilty in a court room, but you call someone a lair and a drugdealer but Mcnamee hasn't been found guilty in a court of law yet.
Kinda of makes you wonder why this guy is making a moral judgement against someone else character. Here's the whole article from yahoohttp://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgnsQuote:
The most vocal grandstander was Rep. Dan Burton of rural Indiana, who absolutely skewered McNamee.
"This is really disgusting," Burton said. "I don't know what to believe. I know what I don't believe and that's you."
Strong words from a guy who while cheating on his wife knocked up his girlfriend and went years without visiting his son (though he was kind enough to cut him some checks).
Is misremembered a word?
If politicians can say that they "mis-spoke", then ballplayers are entitled to say that they "misremember":DQuote:
Originally Posted by Reade
Come to think of it, that playing-field's not even level, anyway...perhaps the only gift that most politicians have, is that of the gab, and here they all are, ranged against a man whose career has been based upon effective action, rather than empty words.
No matter what Clemens may, or may not have done, I have far more respect for him, than I do for most of his interrogators
at this hearing.
According to the dictionary, as well.
That's a very good point. Congress is quite experienced at all the sordid details of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by beerchaser
I think we're best off reverting to trial by combat. Get everyone together - Clemens, McNamee, Selig, Fehr, and anyone who wants to use this in their campaigns (Burton, Shays, etc.) Give them all wiffle bats. Close the door.
Then they can sell tickets on Pay per View! I'd buy!
So would I.
That'd be better TV than old men talking about butt masses.
Actually you have to think about the political context of this hearing, and any other hearing for that matter. The Democrats are the majority party and Henry Waxman the chair of the committee is a Democrat. Burton and the rest of the Republicans are doing what they do best, partisan politics. It's their so called "responsibility" as a Republican and minority party member to dissent to the Majority Party and Chair about their investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
So yes, he definitely did not want to be there. I also think that this is the source of the perceived Republican slant against McNamee and the support for Roger Clemens.
Here's a interesting read
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3244344
A man who has yet to be proven a jerk and/or cheat, YH...andQuote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
" Let he who is without stress amongst you, cast the first shard..." :p
"Ah...the language has gotten all misbegotten..."Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
William Shakespeare.
(from "As You Mislike It")
I think he's been proven to be a jerk. And an idiot.
But not a cheat.
this is the reason why i don't watch the news or any major network anymore[was because of the strike but more because of the politics] it is because everyone everywhere is talking about the same ****** thing! I hate watching CBS when they preempt NCIS with election coverage. If you want to know how the political system works watch Team America World police, and you'll have your answer.
Hank Aaron had a career high 47 home runs when he was 37. Also a career high OPS+ of 194. Cheater.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
Randy Johnson was no better than an average pitcher, who walked 100+ guys a year until he was 29. His best seasons ame in his late 30s'. I guess he found a way to cheat that improves his control.
Nolan Ryan had the second-highest ERA+ of his career at age 40. His highest came in 1981 - a year shortened by strike. Cheater.
Cy Young's best years came at age 34 and age 41. Cheater.
I don't know what sabermetricians you're talking about specifically, but not all agree. See this article.
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Naturally, I have my own opinion about whether Clemens used so-called performance enhancers, and I don’t think he did himself any favors in his Congressional testimony yesterday. But where his statistical record is concerned, there is no smoking gun.
Oh and for what it's worth, Roger Clemensat age 28 had a better year than he did at age 38. And he also doesn't really have a "dual peak." Except for a few years - 1993, 1995, arguably 1996, 1999, 2002, and 2003 - he was consistently outstanding with a few off-the-charts years thrown in (1990, 1997, 2005). For an all-time great pitcher, that's nothing out of the ordinary.
If Nolan would put his Cheeting art to Texas that ok here
Well I think the whole improving with age proves you cheat theory is just bunk. Some guys learn how to condition themselves, play smarter, etc. Even in football Jerry Rice put up great numbers by playing smarter and conditioning as he aged.
I remember seeing pics of Nolan working out as he aged and continuing to work on conditioning.
I also re-watched part of the Hearing on this mess and loved the self-serving criticism the congressman had of themselves...."We should not be wasting time with this, does not serve the nation well, wastes taxpayer money, but since I'm here let me talk to Roger Clemens."
There is one reason I think Clemens used, and it's the same reason I think Bonds and sosa and Giambi used. Their cap sizes increased repeatedly during the periods in question, which means their HEAD sizes increased. Grown men do not typically tend to have their skulls start expansion when that man is in his 30's and 40's...doesn't happen. There is no other explanation for this phenomenon.
Is there anywhere that documents the cap sizes of players??
I dunno, I'm inclined to go with PECOTA's view on things (the last quoted article.) It's not unheard of for players to stabilize and continue performing well into their late 30s.
IMPROVE, as Barry Bonds did? That calls for explanation. Not just for one season, which can be an anomalous random spike - 'the luck of the baseball gods' or some such - but over a few years?
I don't care what new workout regime you have...your body is going to age and start breaking down. Ads like "I feel better at 42 than I did at 22" are only true if you weren't really doing anything to help yourself at 22...in which case you couldn't have been MLB caliber.
Longevity and a SLOW decline? Mmm...well, it's happened before, so I have to concede the possibility that it's happening here.
Cap sizes? LOL!