What is the point of going on witch hunts to crucify stars when the reality is that likely the majority of players used?
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What is the point of going on witch hunts to crucify stars when the reality is that likely the majority of players used?
What does you knowing which indiviudal players took steroids do? Seriously. What is the point? You aren't getting the money back.
How about we just accept that everybody involved in the game of baseball ripped you off (if you feel you were ripped off, which I don't) - the players, the owners, the commissioner, the media. They all played a role in allowing the steroid problem to fester. So, instead of going on a witch hunt to find out which stars did steroids (because we all know that nobody cares if a player did steroids as long as he wasn't any good), just accept that baseball as a whole ripped you off.
Or just move on. Is it really THAT big of a deal? Obviously not, because you're still a fan of the game and you're still following it.
Oh, and yeah, I don't care if you want to know about it. I just don't think that MLB (and especially Congress) should waste the exorbitant amount of time that they are.
The game was really sanctified back when black people weren't allowed to play. And back when there used to be bowls of amphetamines in every clubhouse. And back when cocaine was rampant.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
Sorry, the game was never some sanctified holy place that people are making it out to be. Sure, you have every right to be mad about it and all. But please, don't act like baseball was some shining beacon of holiness and innocence, and when steroids came around, it wrecked everything. There has always been drugs. There has always been cheating. Baseball is still baseball.
Because I paid to watch baseball, and I still got to see baseball whether or not some players were on steroids. And I enjoy watching baseball for what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
Who knows.Quote:
How many players would have made the Majors if there was more turnover?
Statistics are just a record of what happened on the field. You have to look at them in context.Quote:
Especially with you being more into the stats part of the game, I would imagine you would be even more mad.
Doubt it. 0.96 is the modern ERA record (since 1901). Pedro's best was 1.74. I don't think that if you take steroids out of some of the players he faced, it'd shave 3/4ths of a run off his era. He does hold the modern record for ERA+, though.Quote:
If Pedro Martinez wasnt juiced, as I tend to believe, who knows what he could have done without the majority of people cheating? Could he have set the single season era record? Or K's?
And strikeouts, considering Randy Johnson reached 3rd place on the modern all-time single season strikeout list in 2001, when steroid use may have been at a peak, I don't think Pedro would've surpassed Nolan Ryan.
Offensive levels were high for reasons beyond just steroid use. There was very likely a change in the ball in the mid-90's. Parks were smaller. Players trained better. There has still been no evidence of what steroids do to a player's offensive stats.
Sounds like a reasonable argument to me! McNamee just lied too much in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Baseball has, as mentioned previously, never been a "holy" sport. I remember the Cocaine headlines of the 80's...I remember reading about the alcohol binges of players who could not give their best because they were so smashed. Like all sports, the players are human, they screw up, doesn't make it right but it happens. No one cares who uses HGH on Main Street and no one complained when the stat surges started in the 90s!
My statement that no one cares who uses HGH on Main Street means we are not having congressional hearings on rather 5 Wal-Mart employees are using HGH! Congress is only involved in this due to the Face time on TV and to meet Baseball players, imo! Secondly just today Andy Pettite had this to say:
We are getting worked up as a society over something that was LEGAL at the time.Quote:
"HGH was not banned by players and owners until January 2005.
"If it was illegal in baseball, I wouldn't have done it," Pettitte said.
I in no way implied anyone who cared was a no one. Please let's not personalize this.
When did I say there was no advantage? I said: There has still been no evidence of what steroids do to a player's offensive stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee hater
Maybe. If they think it helps them.Quote:
You think people would put their bodies at risk for no gain? Seriously?
Okay. Why haven't Roger Goodell and the boatloads of football players that have done steroids been hauled in front of Congress?Quote:
The 5 wal-mart employees don't have a financial or cultural impact on the level of MLB players. How can people not comprehend this? Try apples and apples people, not apples and oranges.
There are many many more important things for Congress to be spending time on.Quote:
Baseball has several exemptions given to it by the US gov't, so they have every right to make sure that MLB is fair, since baseball was given certain advantages. I'm sorry you think that this is all a scam, since it isn't.
Exactly. Why waste America's time....we are in an era of huge gas prices, a weakening economy, a war (or 2), etc and Congress thinks THIS is of national importance!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM