If you want to clean house, you've got to start at the top. Selig is bad for the game and can't be absolved for his roll in allowing this to happen. He's promising action, he should start with his resignation letter.
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If you want to clean house, you've got to start at the top. Selig is bad for the game and can't be absolved for his roll in allowing this to happen. He's promising action, he should start with his resignation letter.
I agree 100%
Listen - if you can find a more handsome, well-spoken representative of the sport, then maybe you'd have a chance at finding a replacement - but you can't! The man is gold.
I don't think he should resign, but I do think he should be shot out of a cannon.
--Pet
Why was it his Idea for Players to use Steriods?
What?
BM_MAN to English conversion:
Bug Selig should resign? Why, was it his Idea for Players to use Steriods?
Lol. Thanks for that. That's what I assumed..but..,I wanted to make sure..
In which case, no, it wasn't his idea, but he let it happen.
So He Knew but Let it happen because Batters and Pitchers were doing Better and More People came to the Sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That's what i think.
3 Monkeys syndrome - ball was badly positioned post '94/95.Yes he did let it happen,yes he knew BUT & this a big but his hands were tied - as he had no CBA & was "fearful" of another strike.Basically he "was between a rock & a hard place".Quote:
Originally Posted by BM_MAN
His real mistake,IMO,was not using the 1990 Steroids Act as a basis for instauring REAL drug testing & openly admitting that the Unions were (& still are) the major blockers in any CBA deal on 'roids or any drug testing.The climate has changed,baseball as an industry is $6 billion plus,teams,owners & franchises are financially & emotionally stable.The fans (& again thank the hypocritical sports' writers*) want a "clean sport" & Selig is jumping on the band wagon.
Lower HR totals & non multi FA periods (I mean players hitting FA 3 or 4 times thanks to PEDs but also better food/training etc) has made Owners also jump on (basic money economics - a 20 HR FA costs less than a 40 HR FA)
* as in any sport most writers' knew the problem(& most probably knew WHO) but were happy to write glowing appraisals of the players,when today they happily bury the same guy.
Didja notice there wasn't much hoopla when McGwire admitting injecting/injesting something I can't even pronounce when he was on his way to breaking Maris' record? Why are people so pissed now?
I'm glad I'm not the only person that realizes that absolutely irrational hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by lkcostas
Because what he claimed to be using, was an over the counter sort of item, which at the time was available at any GNC.
I think baseball's come to a place in it's history where it needs another Kennesaw Landis type of figure. It needs to be cleaned up beyond a shadow of a doubt. I haven't talked to anyone who believes that those 86 players are all that were found by that commission.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuzzy62
But, still, why is their outrage now about him doing something which was legal and not against the rules? That's the hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
The problem is that they are "old news" as Mitchell & Co.,had no real power - heck look at the scenario -Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
1) you admit to something to Mitchell you could conceivably get the Feds to indite you - thus you AVOID the committee
2) you have already been indited (a la Radomski) so basically you repeat what you said to the Feds (but don't add any new info or you will be indited again)
Either way,Mitchell just got the "iceberg" of the problem & 80% of the names were already known one way or another from testimonies or leaks from Grimsley/BALCO/Radomski & the 2 Pharmacy/Anti Age clinics or by just reading Canseco (who btw is looking like a "soothsayer"! :eek::rolleyes:)
It's not like they were betting on the game or anything. I'd say do whatever testing they can do in the future, and forget about what happened in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
I mean that MLB needs a no nonsense person who isn't going to take it easy on anybody solely because they have star status.
Exactly, who did they get really? a bunch of retirees, roster fillers, and guys on the back nine of their careers. After 20 months and millions of dollars, that's the best that they can do? Also, no prominent Red Sox on that list? Just Mo, but when he was a Met? Yet Mitchell bags ten guys from the Yankees 2000 roster, and 8 from the 2000 Dodgers? It stinks, and I don't buy that they released everything. I think guys are being protected, and it's wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
If they're going to toss these 86 guys under the bus, then they should toss everyone under the bus, or shut the F up and keep it in house.
This,again IMO,is a "show stopper" - a nice,razzle-dazzle approach to say Selig & his buds are "trying".The reality is economics (as I said above) a "dirty" 40 HR guy will demand 5X what he would have got if he was a clean 20 HR - it is as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
Also,let us be honest,the Mitchell report really portrays the Unions as the next coming of the Anti-Christ......:rolleyes:
Well, did MLB really care? As I recall, wasn't the only reason for this farce was Congress making noise about revoking baseball's anti-trust exemption?
Agreed. Selig isn't that person (It's okay to let the all-star game end in a tie -ugh)Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
I still think the worse decision was the stupid way he made the all Star game 'matter'. It's an exhibition, for chrissakes!
Selig is awful. If it weren't for Gary Bettman's utter incompetence in running the NHL, Selig would be a slam dunk for worst commissioner, by about a country mile.
So, the next question is...is there anyone out there who you could foresee replacing him, someone who might actually have a set?
Yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by lkcostas
He might be the only one telling the truth.Quote:
reading Canseco (who btw is looking like a "soothsayer"! )
If so, you can be assured the he has only HIS best interests at heart (i.e. money) for doing so, not the best interests of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
Maybe he needs the money since baseball blackballed him, Mlb took away any chance of him making money like other retired players do, and for what possibly telling the truth. And that possibility just keeps getting bigger. I really don't care if he's doing it for the money or ego if he's telling the truth more power to him.Quote:
If so, you can be assured the he has only HIS best interests at heart (i.e. money) for doing so, not the best interests of the game.
PS The best interest of the game got us Selig naming a baseball insider to investigate themselves. How about we let Bush appoint a committee to see if he should be impeached!
Canseco is a selfish,egotistical & greedy person BUT that is also because of the MLB! He never,ever disclaimed his usage of steroids & STILL today openly uses (& advocates) them.When his book came out there was contreversy & multiple denials,yet 80/90% of the players & people named in the book have been "outed" in the Mitchell report.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
He is,unfortunately for Baseball in general,been the most honest person concerning steroids & its usage (with Ken Carminiti) yet even today is oestrecised for his actions & demeanor.
If anything he should be hired by MLB to serve on a "steroids" committee to explain what they do,or not,& who,how & where they are in the game today.(Just an opinion)
That's actually not a half bad idea. for me personally, my problems with Canseco have nothing to do with him, in a lot of ways, blowing the lid of the amount of steroid usage in baseball. It has to do with his utter self obsession, and need to promote himself at every possible turn. I find that gets very old, very fast.
I did say that in my very first line (lol) but isn't the self-obsession also linked to the fact that his word was forever criticized ( & also the MLB stopped him from continuing to play) ? The more he shouted & claimed & wrote,the more people actually disbelieved him ? He reminds me of Cassandra of Troy...but this guy does know the actual "ins & outs" of doping in the game ....;);)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
For those not up on their Greek Mythology, the story of Cassandra.
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In Greek mythology, Cassandra (Greek: Κασσάνδρα "she who entangles men") (also known as Alexandra) was a daughter of King Priam and Queen Hecuba of Troy whose beauty caused Apollo to grant her the gift of prophecy (or, more correctly, prescience). However, when she did not return his love, Apollo placed a curse on her so that no one would ever believe her predictions.
Thanks Sirkodiak,interesting to note that a God found her more beautiful than Helen...which always interested me as the latter started the war .:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by SirKodiak
wait I'm confused, are you saying bud selig is so good looking there will be a war foght over him???:pjust kiddingQuote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
A organization run by a cheat(Theo) and not one Red Sox player on the list. Seems funny to me to.Quote:
Also, no prominent Red Sox on that list?
But I would argue Jose's self obsession dates to WAAAYYYYYY before steroids were even an issue of discussion. I just very quickly grow tired of guys like him and Rickey Henderson and Floyd Mayweather and Terrell Owens and the drunken frat boy one stool over who go on and on endlessly about how amazing they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX