Clemens is no different than Bonds

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Originally Posted by bmoseley07

Look, the players ruined their own legacies by taking PED's in the first place

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The players named in the report did not necessarily all take PED's. The evidence against some of them is completely hearsay and very flimsy.

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but I disagree about the effect it has on the history or baseball. I think it has a huge effect.

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I don't see where tapey1brad said that it didn't have a huge effect, just that, it was a waste of time and has a negative effect.

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The record books are tainted.

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If you don't believe that records have always been being tainted in someway by cheating, throughout history,than you're fooling yourself.

Why do steroids taint the record books more than amphetamines?

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Even if you put an asterisk next to every players name, it's still putting out the message to children that it is okay to cheat.

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They're looking into the steroid mess. Punishments now exist. How is that saying "It's okay to cheat." Maybe 10 years ago that was the message being given out, you know, when the MLB willingly turned a blind eye to steroid use...but not now.

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Btw, great job at parroting the latest sports pundit to weight in on the subject. You should probably read some dissenting view other than Jayson Stark about the debacle.

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Stark's view is actually rather accurate. The evidence against a lot of the players is extremely flimsy and would not hold up in court, yet we're taking everything in the report has 100% fact, and it may not, necessarily, be completley true.

I think this report is very self-serving to baseball as a whole and Selig will use it as a "see we are doing something" type thing to hold off a real investigation.

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Originally Posted by RickD

I think this report is very self-serving to baseball as a whole and Selig will use it as a "see we are doing something" type thing to hold off a real investigation.

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amen!

Congress doesn't seem too thrilled with this report either, and BTW, Jose Canseco supposedly "can't believe that Alex Rodriguez' name isn't in there.".

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Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

Congress doesn't seem too thrilled with this report either, and BTW, Jose Canseco supposedly "can't believe that Alex Rodriguez' name isn't in there.".

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Well, of course jose's ticked...this could adversely affect the sales of his next book!

Well it steals the thunder of his new book for sure. He should have gotten it out before the Mitchell Report!

Does anyone really think that this means much. Most of the players named aren't even in the league. The current players are all names we have time and again. Yet, still the most glaring part of the report is that there is little or no proof of anything. Just hear say and circumstantial evidense.

Curt Schilling today on WEEI told Jose Canseco that he didn't even belong on the same field with him. He wasn't a major league player since he cheated to get there, and that he couldn't even hold his jock strap.

Will the Rocket make the HOF Now?

Who knows.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

we're taking everything in the report has 100% fact, and it may not, necessarily, be completley true.

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We are? We who? I'm sure not.* Did you read my earlier comment?

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Originally Posted by dps

We are? We who? I'm sure not.* Did you read my earlier comment?

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By "we" I was more referring to the fans/media/etc as a whole, not individuals. I know there's many people that aren't, but overall, it seems like most people are.

Interesting

eh... not to me. Isn't there anything else we can talk about?
*sigh*

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

eh... not to me. Isn't there anything else we can talk about?
*sigh*

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anymore jericho episodes forth coming?