Mitchell report due today

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Originally Posted by Mogul2000

No not at all

Rafael Palmero
Barry bonds
Mark McGwire
Jose Canseco
Gary Sheffield
David Justice
Sammy Sosa
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Alex Sanchez (first player suspended for a positive test) - he of the 18 home runs in 4500 minor and major league at bats.
Randy Velarde
Manny Alexander
Marvin Benard
Chad Allen
Nook Logan
Gary Bennett
F.P. Santangelo


Those power hitters were power hitters before they took steroids as well. Hitting a lot of home runs is NOT a reason to suspect steroid use. You CANNOT just look at a player's home runs and say "STEROID USER!" Steroids do not magically make you a power hitter. They're not going to turn a 10-homer guy into a 40-homer guy.

Power-hitting is NOT AT ALL a reason to suspect steroid use. Otherwise, we have literally thousands of suspected steroid users throughout history.

"Later that summer, Clemens asked McNamee to inject him with Winstrol, which Clemens supplied. McNamee knew the substance was Winstrol because the vials Clemens gave him were so labeled. McNamee injected Clemens approximately four times in the buttocks over a several-week period with needles that Clemens provided. Each incident took place in Clemens's apartment at the SkyDome. McNamee never asked Clemens where he obtained the steroids."

Thanks for that graphic explanation ! ;)

• Ken Caminiti - Steroids

• Barry Bonds - Steroids

• Bobby Estalella - Steroids and hGH

• Jason Giambi - Steroids and hGH

• Jeremy Giambi - Steroids

• Armando Rios - Steroids and hGH

• Benito Santiago - Steroids and hGH

• Gary Sheffield - Steroids

• Jose Canseco - Steroids and hGH

• Tom House - Steroids

• Wally Joyner - Steroids

• Paxton Crawford - Steroids and hGH

• Jason Grimsley - Steroids and hGH

• Jim Leyritz - hGH

• David Segui - hGH

• John Rocker - hGH

• Paul Byrd - hGH

Mark McGwire - Steroids

• Manny Alexander - Steroids

• Chuck Finley - Steroids

• Marvin Bernard - Steroids and hGH

• Randy Velarde - Steroids

• Wilson Alvarez - Steroids and hGH

• Bret Boone - Steroids

• Ozzie Canseco - Steroids

• Juan Gonzalez - Steroids and hGH

• Dave Martinez - Steroids

• Ivan Rodriguez - Steroids and hGH

• Tony Saunders - Steroids and hGH

• Miguel Tejada - Steroids

• Lenny Dykstra - Steroids and hGH

• Dave Hollins - Steroids

• Roger Clemens - "PE Drugs"

• Andy Pettitte - "PE Drugs"

• Brian Roberts - Steroids

• Jay Gibbons - Steroids

• Gary Matthews Jr. - hGH

• Jerry Hairston Jr. - hGH

• David Bell - hCG

• Darren Holmes - Steroids and hGH

• Rick Ankiel - hGH

• Troy Glaus - Steroids

• Scott Schoeneweis - Steroids

• Matt Williams - Steroids and HGH

• Jose Guillen - Steroids and HGH

• Ismael Valdez - Steroids

What is "PE Drugs"? And where did you get that list from?

Ivan Rodriguez was not in the Mitchell Report, and neither were a few of those other names you listed.

This list was taken from ESPN form several hours ago.

Well with Selig along with Mitchell have effectively killed baseball's growth. No one will want to watch these players now that they have even been suspected as having taken steroids or HGH. Good going Selig you stupid *******!

I think that the drug problem is bad, but they will never be able to find and stop all of them. They just said on ESPn that there will be new drugs and new ways to find and detect them and people will use them until they are banned like they did in 2003-5. By the way what happened to congress' investigation of WWE and pro wrestling and MMA organizations for the same thing? That is already on they way out so will it spell the same for baseball?

Names in the Mitchell report

By Yahoo! Sports Staff
December 13, 2007

Major League Baseball players with links to performance-enhancing substances named in the Mitchell report.
View the report (PDF)

NEW NAMES

Chad Allen
Mike Bell
Gary Bennett
Larry Bigbie
Kevin Brown
Alex Cabrera
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Matt Franco
Eric Gagne
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Todd Hundley
Mike Judd
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Nook Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Jim Parque
Luis Perez
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Stephen Randolph
Adam Riggs
Armando Rios
Brian Roberts
F.P. Santangelo
Mike Stanton
Ricky Stone
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun
PREVIOUSLY LINKED

Manny Alexander
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Ricky Bones
Paul Byrd
Ken Caminiti
Jose Canseco
Paxton Crawford
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Ryan Franklin
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Juan Gonzalez
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Darren Holmes
Ryan Jorgensen
Wally Joyner
Gary Matthews Jr.
Rafael Palmeiro
John Rocker
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Derrick Turnbow
Randy Velarde
Matt Williams


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

Clemens is a Cheater

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Originally Posted by BM_MAN

Clemens is a Cheater

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possibly...

Surprised not to See A-Rod There

I merged Wassit's list with this thread. Keep everything here.

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Originally Posted by bloodystar

This list was taken from ESPN form several hours ago.

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There was a bogus report from CNBC earlier this morning, and it looks like that list from ESPN has the names from the bogus report.

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Originally Posted by mnstonecold

Well with Selig along with Mitchell have effectively killed baseball's growth. No one will want to watch these players now that they have even been suspected as having taken steroids or HGH. Good going Selig you stupid *******!

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OH PLEASE! McGwire's Andro story broke the summer he was breaking the home run record, and people still showed. This report changes nothing. The players implicated were all pretty much suspected of it in the first place. People have known for a long time now that steroids were a problem...and MLB is breaking attendance and revenue records.

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Originally Posted by Mogul2000

Don't people who use steroids do so because they help with strength conditioning?

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People use steroids because it conditions the body and promotes quicker and better recovery from injury, and because some do increase some muscle mass.

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I don't see how you can argue that an athlete who uses them and strength trains is not going to be a more powerful hitter.He is going to have more powerful legs, shoulders, torso, everything that will help him drive a ball farther.

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Hitting a ball far requires MUCH more than pure strength, much more than steroids helps.

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Is every power guy on steroids. NO. May there be some that are out there that would shock all of us? I just believe this is probably true. Thats all.

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I'm sure there are players out there that would "shock us", power hitter or not, but you said that baseball is "protecting the sport" by not "going after" the power guys. That sure sounds like you're suggesting that baseball should "go after" power guys because they're power hitters, and that would be completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by BM MAN

Surprised not to See A-Rod There

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Why?

Clemens denies allegations.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Clemens denies allegations.

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Well He Could Covering his ***

Clemens is taking the Barry Bonds route. :P