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This makes me happy as a Giants fan that has had to listen to Bonds painted as the anti-Christ while everyone kisses Clemens *** as the best pitcher ever.Quote:
Just heard ESPN say that the yankees trainer fingered Roger Clemons as a regular user.
Its perfect irony. A pitcher who would probably be placed in the top 5-10 all time and he did roids. Lets see if they crucify him like they have Bonds. Hmmmm I wonder why Clemens is reportedly calling it quits this year.....
I understand all this, but you said that the Mitchell investigators were ONLY ALLOWED to interview GMs. That is a false statement. They were ALLOWED to interview anybody who was willing to participate - which included many more people than just GMs.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/sportsscop...lemens-na.html
Roger, I suspected you were a roid user for years, but everyone looked the other way. Now we all know. Instead of the "Rocket", they'll call him the "Roider".
--Pet
Not false,HGM. Owners forced GMs* to participate - thus all 30 GMs did(because they are PAID employees of their clubs ;) ) - the rest were not even advised,& as seen by the "report"/interview I linked the main "players" of the steroid game were either advised (by the Unions) not too or did not "voluntarily" co-operate as they knew that any co-operation would either:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
1) be published ; & worse
2) they could be publicly indicted after the event (would you go & report to an independent committee who has NO administrative powers that you dealt steroids ?)
*allowed in this case = forced
I've never heard of "allowed" meaning "forced", considering they're like almost opposite definitions (allowed, in every way I've ever heard it used, means to have the choice to do it, while forced means...you're given no choice), but um, okay.
Anyway, new report from CNBC basically tells me what I thought all along - nearly every player has done something.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/fea...rticleid=29662
I'm fairly skeptical of that, considering it lists Juan Gonzalez and Troy Glaus twice, calls Mo Vaugh Maurice, misspells Rafael Betancourt and other names, etc., but, it seems like a fairly reasonable expectation.
According to the Mitchell investigators, this is a phony list. The real list apparently doesn't have many position players on it, but a lot of pitchers.
--Pet
And, honestly, I agree with Scott Boras on this issue:
The players named are mostly going to be based off what someone said, not necessarily factual information.Quote:
Scott Boras, who represents a number of high-profile players including Yankee third baseman Alex Rodriguez, told The Los Angeles Times he hadn't read the report. He did, however, say he's wary because he believes "the concerns of due process and the standards that apply to it are relatively unknown. Certainly, any results that occur from the report have to be looked at in the light that this is not a collectively bargained effort."
"I'm going to assume that a lot of the basis for this is hearsay information," Boras said, according to The Times. "It's not based on any kind of clinical testing, so it is widely a product of hearsay testimony. Without clinical testing or hard evidence, any report like this has to be reviewed with great scrutiny."
The basic thing is that steroid use was extremely widespread and baseball did literally nothing about it until after the fact. The only thing it can do now is focus on removing PEDs from the sport and preventing their future use. It can't go back and undo what happened. It's just another era in the game, just like the widespread amphetamine use in the 1970s and the cocaine use of the early 80's.
Here's more evidence that the "report" was false - it's been removed from CNBC's website.
I'm kicking back and watching ESPN's full live coverage of this...if for no reason that this is the only time in the offseason that baseball gets more than a footnote on ESPN....so I'll chime in immediately when new information arises.
SI confirmed some names: Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Chuck Knoblauch, Mike Stanton, Jason Grimsley, Brian Roberts, Miguel Tejada, and David Justice.
Not Muke Stanton!
(old joke for people playing BM for a looooong time)
--Pet
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Originally Posted by rogue9
because he is 60 years old.
More names connected: Paul Lo Duca, Rondell White, David Segui, Denny Neagle and Fernando Vina
PAUL LO DUCA????? Apparently nothing could help him hit homeruns! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
He did have that one year with 25 (In 2001..perhaps it's no coincidence that he forgot how to hit home runs once testing was implemented).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
I know Luis Gonzalez will be a name revealed.