Barry Bonds Indicted for Lying to Grand Jury

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Originally Posted by Reade

My thinking is, for me and you it probably wouldn't help us hit a major league fastball 500 feet, but for guys that hits above .300 for several years it just might help. But the hunting for heads has come along way to late, they turned their heads(MLB, coaches, owners) for about 20 years and now they want to cry wolf. We need to stop witch hunting the past and worry about the ones that are still trying to do it.

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Agreed. Which is why Barry's a target. He's still an active player. McGwire is geting his due by the HOF snub, hopefully Sosa, Palmeiro, and anyone else whose drug use comes to light will get the same. If anyone else perjured themselves at those hearings I hope they'll also be run through the legal mill too.

No way I am going to go back and read what everyone else wrote at this point because too many **** posts to go through. Here are my thoughts on the whole thing...

Why is Barry Bonds being indicted? Well, because people need a scapegoat. Who better to point the finger at and say, "see he did it! He is the reason our game is ruined! The records are all tainted now!" I mean c'mon, nobody other than Bay Area people even liked Bonds before the steroid scandal happened. There have been many other positive tests and confessions but everyone tends to turn a blind eye to those ones. Yankees won pennants with Giambi on their team, should we take those away now?

Seriously, it's beyond time to get over this story. Bonds took steroids, we all know it, and nobody really gives a rat's ***. Guess what, I'm willing to bet just about anything your team's star player has done so in the past as well! If someone told me that if I took some pills that would lead to me making 5-10x as much money and nobody really cared and everyone else was doing it, I would too!!!

No asterisk should go next to Barry's record unless that asterisk is next to every other record, pennant, or even World Series victory that has had any player that has ever done steroids. Anything else is hypocritical.

hear, hear.

Actually, oddly enough, I find myself in agreement with both of the above posts.

Or we can empty the HOF and restart it as the Morality in Baseball HOF. You might have 1 or 2 players in but hey! :p

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Originally Posted by RickD

Or we can empty the HOF and restart it as the Morality in Baseball HOF. You might have 1 or 2 players in but hey! :p

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Sad thing is, I think baseball is just taking the most heat. Other sports have surely had their fair share of doping, but they all seem to be ones that nobody seems to really give a rat's *** about. With all of the doping being done in all the other sports, it makes you wonder what goes on behind the scenes of the NFL.

I still think Barry should get a HOF vote (mostly because of his pre-roids resume), and I think the Yankees deserve their titles. This is an era in baseball, and the playing field was even. Anyone could have taken roids, many did, including many of the pitchers guys like Barry, Giambi, Sheffield, and Palmeiro were facing.

If I had to pick out a few pitchers as to who was on the juice, I think there is one blatantly obvious one out there... Clemens. All the same arguments people have for Bonds... the big head, the sudden size difference, the longevity in his career... all apply to Clemens as well. But who really cares right? I mean, Clemens isn't one of the best pitchers to ever play the game or anything :rolleyes:

BOOMhauer, excellently said. 100% agreement.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

BOOMhauer, excellently said. 100% agreement.

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:D You know what to do then... and if you don't, read my sig :p

It's just a CIRCUS ... the damage has already been done.

No good can come from what is about to happen to Bonds. The record book is screwed up now and forever ... and MLB is to blame.

BTW ... what record did Pete's betting screw up ... NONE

MLB ... you're "nuts"!!

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Originally Posted by Pete4256

BTW ... what record did Pete's betting screw up ... NONE

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Uh... he's only the all-time hitting leader.
I guess that's not important?

I agree. Clemens looks like a good candidate for suspicion. Maybe he just had smarter dealers or was luckier. I'd still like to know why Mr. Schilling was at that hearing with Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, etc. I kinda doubt that they only dragged in one clean player for contrast.

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Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

I agree. Clemens looks like a good candidate for suspicion. Maybe he just had smarter dealers or was luckier. I'd still like to know why Mr. Schilling was at that hearing with Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, etc. I kinda doubt that they only dragged in one clean player for contrast.

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Yep... and Schilling has been by far the most outspoken player in this whole thing. He seems to want Bonds dead. Maybe it's cuz of his 1.048 OPS vs Schilling... who knows :rolleyes:

Yeah I am curious about all those who were at the hearing now.

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

Uh... he's only the all-time hitting leader.
I guess that's not important?

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I think what he was saying was that his betting didn't affect his hit record, while doing steroids possibly affected Bonds home run record

Ah, I get it.