Barry Bonds Indicted for Lying to Grand Jury

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Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

I'm referring to HGM's statement, Lord High Protector of THE HGM.

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I think ohms understood what you were referring to just fine.

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It's his opinion that there isn't any way to know blah, blah, blah, and not a fact. There are also "facts" out there that do state the ways in which a players stats are affected.

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No, it's not an opinion. It would be an opinion if I said that steroids don't affect stats. That's not what I said. I said that we do not currently know how they do, and there currently is no way to know. If there is, I haven't seen it, and I would think it'd be at least a somewhat decently-sized story.

But, apparantly, you're saying that that's wrong. Please, show us these things that do show exactly how stats are affected by steroids, rather than just saying "They do."

Is there speculation on how stats are affected? Yes. That's different than actual knowledge, though.

Back on topic....do you think Barry will get jail time? I see maybe a year or 2 max. That is IF they can prove the charges! His record will still stand. Baseball record that is but there will be relief across baseball land when ARod or someone else takes 1st place.

Lil' Kim served 366 days and paid a fine for her federal perjury charges...and hers involved a shooting.

I suspect that Bonds would serve 6 months to one year in prison if convicted, and be let out for good behavior after paying a massive fine. Then, he'd write a biography and earn all the money back. A prospective bio title would be "My Struggle". :)

--Pet

Lol

I think Pet meant, a good title would be:

"My Struggle (to find a helmet that fit my gigantic head)"

My struggle to apply the cream!

Or....Cream of What? How I was duped by Balco!

Interesting little fact...when the Feds come after someone, they get a conviction 95% of the time. A lot of defense lawyers will plead out be cause Fed prosecutors tend to be rather merciless. Oh, and from what I've read, Greg Anderson probably didn't roll...now that they have enough info to charge Bonds without his testimony, he simply wasn't needed anymore.

As for steroids' affect on a player, the biggest one would be the lengthening of his effective career. Most guys in their late 30's and early 40's do not produce like that or stay healthy like he did. And it's hardly a coincidence that when baseball started getting 'serious' about looking at steroids, all of a sudden Barry's knees exploded.

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Originally Posted by petrel

Lil' Kim served 366 days and paid a fine for her federal perjury charges...and hers involved a shooting.

I suspect that Bonds would serve 6 months to one year in prison if convicted, and be let out for good behavior after paying a massive fine. Then, he'd write a biography and earn all the money back. A prospective bio title would be "My Struggle". :)

--Pet

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

Interesting little fact...when the Feds come after someone, they get a conviction 95% of the time. A lot of defense lawyers will plead out be cause Fed prosecutors tend to be rather merciless. Oh, and from what I've read, Greg Anderson probably didn't roll...now that they have enough info to charge Bonds without his testimony, he simply wasn't needed anymore.

As for steroids' affect on a player, the biggest one would be the lengthening of his effective career. Most guys in their late 30's and early 40's do not produce like that or stay healthy like he did. And it's hardly a coincidence that when baseball started getting 'serious' about looking at steroids, all of a sudden Barry's knees exploded.

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Good points, I agree. Without knowing what the prosecutor has though, it's hard to say more. Right now I think this case has a good shot at falling into the 5% category. It certainly sounds like Barry Bonds and his lawyer aren't going to roll over and plea, at least. Perjury charges are just so hard to prove, I think that they've got a shot.

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Originally Posted by RickD

My struggle to apply the cream!

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after serving prison time that title could be construed in so many ways,none of them good....

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Originally Posted by petrel

Lil' Kim served 366 days and paid a fine for her federal perjury charges...and hers involved a shooting.

I suspect that Bonds would serve 6 months to one year in prison if convicted, and be let out for good behavior after paying a massive fine. Then, he'd write a biography and earn all the money back. A prospective bio title would be "My Struggle". :)

--Pet

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Perhaps not. There's a law on the books that pervents a person from profiting from a crime.

Ah Yes but if he doesn't write about perjury and just about using roids he could do that!

My thinking is, for me and you it probably wouldn't help us hit a major league fastball 500 feet, but for guys that hits above .300 for several years it just might help. But the hunting for heads has come along way to late, they turned their heads(MLB, coaches, owners) for about 20 years and now they want to cry wolf. We need to stop witch hunting the past and worry about the ones that are still trying to do it.

Agreed....anyone since 2004 should be terminated! (Fired I mean!!!!!!)

Yea