2007 Gold Gloves

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11-06-2007, 04:30 PM
HoustonGM

2007 Gold Gloves

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2007/index.jsp

They've been announced down at the bottom of that page.

C: Ivan Rodriguez, DET
1B: Kevin Youkilis, BOS
2B: Placido Polanco, DET
3B: Adrian Beltre, SEA
SS: Orlando Cabrera, LAA
OF: Torii Hunter, MIN
OF: Grady Sizemore, CLE
OF: Ichiro Suzuki, SEA
P: Johan Santana, MIN

C: Russell Martin, LA
1B: Derrek Lee, CHC
2B: Orlando Hudson, ARI
3B: David Wright, NYM
SS: Jimmy Rollins, PHI
OF: Aaron Rowand, PHI(tied)
OF: Andruw Jones, ATL
OF: Carlos Beltran, NYM
OF: Jeff Francoeur, ATL (tied)
P: Greg Maddux, SD

You know what, I can't take issue with any of these. I thought for sure Derek Jeter was going to win, and while I think there were better choices than Orlando Cabrera (John McDonald, Tony Pena), at least they picked a good fielder.
11-06-2007, 04:48 PM
Walrusman

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

I thought Pedro Feliz finally might get some recognition. He's truly a great fielder although a terrible hitter. Would have liked to have seen Omar Vizquel win the gold glove as well, but haven't seen enough of Rollins' playing to vote against him. Vizquel is just fun to watch play the field.
11-06-2007, 04:51 PM
HoustonGM

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

I think Tulowitzki should've won the NL, but Rollins is still an okay choice.
11-06-2007, 05:27 PM
Coach Owens

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Glad to see that Beltre won what he deserved.
11-06-2007, 05:55 PM
rockiesfan4ever

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Wow is all I can say. I believe (unbiasly of course) that Tulo whould've won the NL SS Gold Glove.

What this proves is that you can have the best all-time fielding team (The Rockies of this year) and have NO GOLD GLOVERS
11-06-2007, 06:13 PM
HoustonGM

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever

What this proves is that you can have the best all-time fielding team (The Rockies of this year) and have NO GOLD GLOVERS

That's if your only criteria for judging how good a team is at fielding is the amount of errors they commit.

There's really no way to actually tell which team, all time, is the best fielding team.
11-06-2007, 10:05 PM
ohms_law

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Wow, Orlando Cabrera won! :D

I probably would have picked Joe Mauer, but I certainly can't complain about pudge...
(games played plays somewhat of a role between the two though, now that I really look)
11-06-2007, 10:20 PM
boomboom

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Owens

Glad to see that Beltre won what he deserved.

As much as I was disappointed in Beltre's bat when he came to the M's, he is one heck of a fielder, and he is fun to watch...he puts 100% in each play and abat!
11-06-2007, 10:31 PM
Coach Owens

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by boomboom

As much as I was disappointed in Beltre's bat when he came to the M's, he is one heck of a fielder, and he is fun to watch...he puts 100% in each play and abat!

Really? You were disappointed in a .276/.319/.482, 25 homers, 99 RBI bat?
11-06-2007, 10:43 PM
boomboom

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Owens

Really? You were disappointed in a .276/.319/.482, 25 homers, 99 RBI bat?

334/388/629 The year before he came to the Mariners...and that was done in a pitchers park.

So basically you are asking me if I am happy with half the performance then he is capable of? yes.
11-06-2007, 10:46 PM
Coach Owens

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

No one expected him to hit like that again, but people thought he'd hit just like he did this year.
11-06-2007, 11:48 PM
boomboom

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Owens

No one expected him to hit like that again, but people thought he'd hit just like he did this year.

yes, last year was his 2nd best season not even close to his best one.
11-07-2007, 02:38 AM
dps

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walrusman

Would have liked to have seen Omar Vizquel win the gold glove as well, but haven't seen enough of Rollins' playing to vote against him. Vizquel is just fun to watch play the field.

Vizquel is one of my all-time favorites. I still have some hope that he'll get to the HoF, but he suffers from being a near-contempory of Jeter, Nomar, and A-Rod, plus time is almost certainly going to run out on him before he can get to 3,000 hits, which I figure would still make a player pretty much a lock.
11-07-2007, 08:16 AM
HoustonGM

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Rob Neyer of ESPN took issue with the picks in his blog (Insider only).

He basically says that the Gold Gloves don't award the truly outstanding fielders, although they usually at least pick above-average fielders. He says there are three biases in selection - past winners, good hitters, and fielding percentage.

His "picks", while not explicitly stated, seem to be something like this:

AL:
P: Johan Santana
C: Doesn't offer an alternative, but says that Pudge is past his prime (true)
1B: Casey Kotchman
2B: Mark Ellis/Aaron Hill/Robinson Cano
3B: Brandon Inge
SS: Jason Bartlett/Tony Pena/John McDonald
OF: Coco Crisp
OF: Curtis Granderson
OF: ??

NL:
P: ??
C: Yadier Molina
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Orlando Hudson
3B: Pedro Feliz
SS: Troy Tulowitzki
OF: Carlos Beltran
OF: Andruw Jones
OF: Eric Byrnes
11-07-2007, 08:31 AM
boomboom

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

I actually agree with Neyers comments but Beltre is one heck of a fielder but I believe that Ichiro isn't a GG Centerfielder, Rightfielder yes, not CF.
11-07-2007, 09:25 AM
ohms_law

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

McDonald probably should have won the AL SS.
11-07-2007, 12:29 PM
HoustonGM

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohms_law

McDonald probably should have won the AL SS.

Yeah, that's what he gets for sucking at the plate, unfortunately.
11-07-2007, 02:25 PM
boomboom

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Yeah, that's what he gets for sucking at the plate, unfortunately.

haha, the gold glove isn't about the glove, you have to hit inorder to get the award...what a joke! :eek:
11-07-2007, 02:56 PM
petrel

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Here are Gold Gloves based on Fielding Win Shares at the Hardball Times. Oddly enough, pitchers aren't assigned win shares in the Hardball Times system -- I don't know if it's because it's been omitted or it's because a pitcher's fielding contributes such a negligent portion of Fielding Win Shares that it's essentially zero.

C: K Johima, Mariners
1B: K Youkilis, Red Sox
2B: M Ellis, Athletics
SS: J Uribe, White Sox
3B: M Lowell, Red Sox
OF: C Crisp, Red Sox
OF: V Wells, Blue Jays
OF: C Granderson, Tigers

C: C Snyder, Diamondbacks
1B: D Lee, Cubs
2B: B Phillips, Reds
SS: T Tulowitzki, Rockies
3B: R Zimmerman, Nationals
OF: A Jones, Braves
OF: C Young, Diamondbacks
OF: C Beltran, Mets

--Pet
11-07-2007, 03:20 PM
ohms_law

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

it's because a pitcher's fielding contributes such a negligent portion of Fielding Win Shares that it's essentially zero.

Essentially.
11-07-2007, 04:42 PM
HoustonGM

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by petrel

Here are Gold Gloves based on Fielding Win Shares at the Hardball Times. Oddly enough, pitchers aren't assigned win shares in the Hardball Times system -- I don't know if it's because it's been omitted or it's because a pitcher's fielding contributes such a negligent portion of Fielding Win Shares that it's essentially zero.

C: K Johima, Mariners
1B: K Youkilis, Red Sox
2B: M Ellis, Athletics
SS: J Uribe, White Sox
3B: M Lowell, Red Sox
OF: C Crisp, Red Sox
OF: V Wells, Blue Jays
OF: C Granderson, Tigers

C: C Snyder, Diamondbacks
1B: D Lee, Cubs
2B: B Phillips, Reds
SS: T Tulowitzki, Rockies
3B: R Zimmerman, Nationals
OF: A Jones, Braves
OF: C Young, Diamondbacks
OF: C Beltran, Mets

--Pet

Seems pretty good.

Here is the same thing, based on Revised Zone Rating, which doesn't have catchers or pitchers:

1B: K Youkilis, Red Sox
2B: M Ellis, Athletics
SS: T Pena, Royals
3B: M Lowell, Red Sox
OF: M Cabrera, Yankees
OF: D DeJesus, Royals
OF: C Granderson, Tigers

1B: A Pujols, Cardinals
2B: B Phillips, Reds
SS: O Vizquel, Giants
3B: P Feliz, Giants
OF: A Jones, Braves
OF: E Byrnes, Diamondbacks
OF: C Beltran, Mets

Pretty close in agreement.
11-07-2007, 06:05 PM
robinhoodnik

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by boomboom

haha, the gold glove isn't about the glove, you have to hit inorder to get the award...what a joke! :eek:

Or be a Yankee.
11-07-2007, 06:10 PM
boomboom

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

Or be a Yankee.

or a Red Sox!!! (couldn't resist)...btw: I thought the Red Sox are the new yankees. :eek:
11-07-2007, 06:15 PM
robinhoodnik

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by boomboom

or a Red Sox!!! (couldn't resist)...btw: I thought the Red Sox are the new yankees. :eek:

The Mariners are the A.L. version of the Phillies. :p
11-07-2007, 07:50 PM
ohms_law

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

and the Angels are the new Red Sox...
;)

(actually, not really...)
11-07-2007, 09:05 PM
robinhoodnik

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohms_law

and the Angels are the new Red Sox...
;)

(actually, not really...)

They're gonna suck for 86 years and then start winning again? ;)
11-07-2007, 09:12 PM
Coach Owens

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

They're gonna suck for 86 years and then start winning again? ;)

HAHA! NOW IS THE MARINERS CHANCE TO TAKE COMMAND OF THE DIVISION!!! ;)
11-07-2007, 11:21 PM
rogue9

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Would have liked to have seen Omar Vizquel win the gold glove as well, but haven't seen enough of Rollins' playing to vote against him. Vizquel is just fun to watch play the field.

I would have to agree whole heartedly with this. Omar is amazing to watch. He makes bare handed plays look easy. Even if you hate the Giants, watch a game when he is playing.
11-08-2007, 01:44 AM
boomboom

Re: 2007 Gold Gloves

Quote:

Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

The Mariners are the A.L. version of the Phillies. :p

nah, that would be Tampa. ;)