barry mad at hall of fame

NEW YORK (AP) -- Barry Bonds would boycott Cooperstown if the Hall of Fame displays his record-breaking home run ball with an asterisk.

That includes skipping his potential induction ceremony.

"I won't go. I won't be part of it," Bonds said in an interview with MSNBC that aired Thursday night. "You can call me, but I won't be there."

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So, if the Hall goes through with the asterisk display?

"I will never be in the Hall of Fame. Never," Bonds said. "Barry Bonds will not be there.

"That's my emotions now. That's how I feel now. When I decide to retire five years from now, we'll see where they are at that moment," he added. "We'll see where they are at that time, and maybe I'll reconsider. But it's their position and where their position will be will be the determination of what my decision will be at that time."

Funny, I thought that Bonds didn't care whether or not the ball was displayed. Now he says he'll boycott the Hall of Fame if it's there. (Steroids have been known to cause mood swings -- but of course, there's no proof that Bonds's on steroids.)

I know that some players want to be loved, but the Hall of Fame is a privilege -- not a right. The proper thing for baseball to do is to admit him to the Hall of Fame -- by an agreement that he will only be inducted through a Veterans' Committee vote, after the day he dies.

Which would be the ultimate punishment for an insane narcissist like Bonds. His pre-steroid accomplishments would be honored, but the attention would be stripped from him. That's the problem with love, Mr. Bonds -- you can't demand it on your own terms.

--Pet

Can you really blame him about this, though? He's in an absolutely no win situation. He can't go saying that he doesn't want the ball displayed. On the other hand, how is he supposed to show up for an event where he's basically being ridiculed?
Granted, most of this is his own fault. Like you said, he is a narcissist. I just can't be angry at Bonds any longer, is all.

Problem solved Mr. Selig! :)

I was against defacing this piece of history but if it keeps Barry out of the Hall....let's vote the ball into the HOF and Barry out!

So a ball with an asterisk designating that it was hit by a player who probably did steroids is better to have in the Hall than one of the best players in baseball history?

I'm actually getting antsy for that Mitchell Report release. I'm sure there's going to be multiple future Hall of Famers on the list of probable steroid users. Are we then going to just lock the Hall off to everybody from this era? The fact is that steroid use was rampant, and little was done about it. We can't just erase it from history, as much as we may like too.

From later in that same article:

Hall president Dale Petroskey has said accepting the ball doesn't mean the museum endorses the viewpoint that Bonds used illegal substances. He said the museum would be "delighted" to have the ball.

"It's a historic piece of baseball history," Petroskey said in September.


When you think about it, the whole "asterisk" controversy is a part of baseball history. A ball with an asterisk on it probably should be put on display at the Hall museum.

I suppose I don't have a problem with putting something in the Hall that documents the "asterisk" controversy, but I can't agree with defacing one of the most historic home run balls.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

So a ball with an asterisk designating that it was hit by a player who probably did steroids is better to have in the Hall than one of the best players in baseball history?

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I was making a joke.

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Originally Posted by RickD

I was against defacing this piece of history but if it keeps Barry out of the Hall....let's vote the ball into the HOF and Barry out!

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It was an attempt at humor....note I said I was against the defacing then led into the joke.

Sometimes, it's hard to come across as joking on the internet. ;) Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I actually have to agree with Bonds in this case.

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Sometimes, it's hard to come across as joking on the internet. ;) Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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No Problem. I just wanted to clarify before it got to far gone. Next time I will use a smiley face or a wink or something.

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Originally Posted by michaelg123789

I actually have to agree with Bonds in this case.

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Well I would be ticked if I was him as well. However I am not a bonds fan and that really has nothing to do with his alleged/supposed/probable (use whatever word you like) steroid use but the fact his attitude has stunk for years and I just never cared for it. Hence I have never really liked the guy.

That's the way I feel too. As a person, Barry Bonds sucks. As a ball player though, he belongs in the Hall...

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Well I would be ticked if I was him as well. However I am not a bonds fan and that really has nothing to do with his alleged/supposed/probable (use whatever word you like) steroid use but the fact his attitude has stunk for years and I just never cared for it. Hence I have never really liked the guy.

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To paraphrase Yogi Berra, If people don't want to go to the hall of fame, how're you gonna stop 'em?

Can't wait to see the look on the guy who gets commissioned to recreate a lifesize bust of Bonds....

Hey Barry - you can't get in the Hall for at least 5 years even if you hang'em up today - and ALOT can happen in 5 years.....

Worry about the Hall when you're eligible - and not before then.....

you know, he actually said something like that himself...

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Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

To paraphrase Yogi Berra, If people don't want to go to the hall of fame, how're you gonna stop 'em?

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Always good to see a red sux :p fan quoting Berra! :D

I personally don't blame Barry for anything he did. There is no significant difference between steroids and other performance enhancers such as Tommy John Surgery. Nor is there any evidence that Bonds did take steroids (merely rumors and hearsay). He's justified in being angry that his ball has an asterisk on it.

This whole anti-steroids crusade is nothing more than cover for the media's longtime hatred of Barry Bonds (a hatred which is due to the fact that Barry doesn't suck up to them like all the other players, as Barry sees most of the media for the fools and crooks they are). Nobody complained about steroids until Bonds broke the home run record of the beloved Mark McGwire, nor should anybody have complained. These steroids may improve one's health in the long run, so it is a good thing that a portion of the population is willing to test them to allow others to see if they are safe, which is why steroid use should just be legalized and which supplements each player is on listed in the media guides (to make it easier for people considering taking steroids to know what to take). By the same logic that the anti-steroid crusaders use, penicillin should have been banned because it artificially expanded lifespans (of course, many of the anti-steroid crusaders also support the FDA's policy of preventing people who are terminally ill from taking potentially life-saving drugs).

Bonds deserves to be elected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot with a vote total over 95%. He is, at the very least, the greatest player since Ruth, if not the greatest player of all time.

Wow...ummm...you are medically so far off the mark, it's ridiculous.

If steroids indeed improved quality of life, every doctor on Earth would be pushing to be first in line to sell them (at exorbitant rates, of course) to every person in the world. And governments would LET them, for the sake of the 'free market'. They are NOT beneficial in the long term. Short term, yes...long term, no. They cause massive problems in joints, not to mention the same sorts organ damage associated with things like HGH and extreme Creatine abuse. The only person who has ever claimed that roids are good for you is Jose Canseco...and he's a blithering idiot, to be charitable.

I DO agree that it's laughable the degree to which some current players have been allowed to skate on this issue (I'm not counting McGwire, because he isn't still playing). You don't see Sosa and Sheffield (and yeah, he HAS been mentioned REPEATEDLY, yet nobody even brings that up) being constantly grilled the way Bonds has been. But, as a MAJOR caveat, they are also not even close to breaking any long time major records in the sport, while Bonds did just this past year. That has put him in the spotlight more than the others.

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Originally Posted by fraquar

Can't wait to see the look on the guy who gets commissioned to recreate a lifesize bust of Bonds....

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Howabout "before and after" lifesize busts of Bonds :D

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Originally Posted by LLP

This whole anti-steroids crusade is nothing more than cover for the media's longtime hatred of Barry Bonds (a hatred which is due to the fact that Barry doesn't suck up to them like all the other players, as Barry sees most of the media for the fools and crooks they are). Nobody complained about steroids until Bonds broke the home run record of the beloved Mark McGwire, nor should anybody have complained. These steroids may improve one's health in the long run, so it is a good thing that a portion of the population is willing to test them to allow others to see if they are safe, which is why steroid use should just be legalized and which supplements each player is on listed in the media guides (to make it easier for people considering taking steroids to know what to take). By the same logic that the anti-steroid crusaders use, penicillin should have been banned because it artificially expanded lifespans (of course, many of the anti-steroid crusaders also support the FDA's policy of preventing people who are terminally ill from taking potentially life-saving drugs).

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:D ROFL....You are so funny!

Nah, LLP is right.

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

Nah, LLP is right.

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He's right on most points, but not the point that steroids are beneficial in anyway. I also don't think they can be likened to surgery. Surgery makes it so that you are able to play without hurting yourself further. Steroids merely increase what you're already capable of (whether or not this actually has an affect on a baseball player's production is unknown). The steroids and such that do work to treat an issue, such as Adam LaRoche taking Ritalin, can steal be used with MLB permission. If you have a legitimate medical reason to be taking banned drugs, you have the ability to get a waiver to continue taking them.

Well, humm... after rereading everything, I agree. Actually, both LLP and Arctic Blast are right. Ah well, like I've said before, I'm just sick and tired of the whole steroid issue by this point.

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Well, humm... after rereading everything, I agree. Actually, both LLP and Arctic Blast are right. Ah well, like I've said before, I'm just sick and tired of the whole steroid issue by this point.

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hey Ohms, wanna join a steriod discussion group?? lol just kidding...:D

Say Yes to Steroids.....discussion groups that is!

:)

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Originally Posted by RickD

Always good to see a red sux :p fan quoting Berra! :D

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Always good to find a Yankee fan who can read. :p;)

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

Nah, LLP is right.

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Handed?

probably...

hey, the odds are with me, at least.
;)

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Originally Posted by robinhoodnik

Always good to find a Yankee fan who can read. :p;)

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:p

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Originally Posted by RickD View Post
Always good to see a red sux fan quoting Berra!
Always good to find a Yankee fan who can read.

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Of course it was a cubs fan that caught them

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Originally Posted by Reade

Of course it was a cubs fan that caught them

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The Cubs? Are they still in the league? :p

Barely, just barely

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Originally Posted by michaelg123789

I actually have to agree with Bonds in this case.

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nobody cares about bond mike. if mcgwire isnt getting in then bonds will never be voted in the 1st place. now the problem is solved.:D

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Originally Posted by dabruinss

nobody cares about bond mike. if mcgwire isnt getting in then bonds will never be voted in the 1st place. now the problem is solved.:D

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What about poor ol' Raffy? There's not much proof Raffy did it. He may have only used it once when he got caught. It's not fair. :p

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What about poor ol' Raffy? There's not much proof Raffy did it. He may have only used it once when he got caught. It's not fair. :p

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Aaaah, Raffy. What a guy. Really, if it wasn't for Sosa suddenly forgetting how to speak English and needing an interpreter in front of Congress, Palmeiro would win the award for funniest denial. Heck, you HAVE to laugh at this stuff to some degree, or you'll go mad.

There seems to be many people that prefer to be mad...

I'd prefer that they're outed and declared inelligible for the HOF. Let them continue to play if you must (steroid free of course), but just make it public when they get bagged.