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If HGM wants to "debate" everyone on the forums until they're banned, then let him. If people are going to keep on being banned/chastised/threatened/insulted for posting in threads he's involved in, then eventually people will wise up and limit their replies to him, ignore him, or just be permanently banned.
That's what it's come down to for a bunch of people now. Just leave the sandbox when he comes. No need to do anything else, just ignore him.
Ohms, if HGM is repeatedly going to use that tactic in his posts, then turnabout is fair play. He want's to "debate a point endlessly with someone who's willing to do it with him, let him. So what? If no one else wants to read it, no one's forcing them to read it. So long as it doesn't degenerate to swears or threats of physical harm, let them type until their fingers bleed. Why bother moderating what one mod and several members don't want moderated? Let 'em have a debate thread all to themselves. Set up a stream of conciousness thread and see where it ends. Could actually be interesting to see where it winds it's way to in a month or three.
Good post, RH. I tend to agree.
That is..the part about letting people debate endlessly. Its like in a typical poker game, where there is usually a 3 raise limit, per round. Except if there is just 2 players left in the hand...then they can raise each other endlessly. I suppose that, at some point, a discussion/debate just deteriorates into an argument. At some point, no one is going to convince anyone else that they are wrong. However, if thats how people want to spend their time, as RH points out, let them. Nobody has to read it, or comment on it. Now that I think about it, I wonder just how long 2 people would continue an argument in this forum. A week? A year? Might be interesting to see.
That's basically where I am at. That doesn't mean that I have to like that it's going on though, and it most certainly doesn't mean that I can't speak out against it.
That being said, I am going to move the threads that become problematic here to Ejections. These things have a nasty habit of spreading beyond those who want to be involved.
Last word! :D
Is not!
TAG! You're it! :p
Not it!
Are so!
Last Word!!!!!
Fini!
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Last word. ;)
I think you're mixing up threads here. You linked to the post you're referencing to in another thread, not this one.Quote:
exsqueeze me - notice the link i post.
Some guy posting about a bad rookie of the year, I posted agreeing that the rookie of the year decisions are often bad, and said that I am in favor of allowing the option to choose your own awards, and was told by somebody that he cares what I do in my own games. I, myself, did not turn that thread into a flame war, nor do I recall ever flaming anybody. Also note that there were multiple other posters, including ohms_law, who took the same side as me that there is no issue with allowing an option, and that they also posted multiple times ("back and forth"). Stop trying to lay all the blame for long arguments on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
"Frays", "arguments", and "debates" often result from a discussion. All an argument or a debate is is a discussion with two opposing sides. Moderators should not be forced to remove themselves from any discussion that results in a two-sided issue.Quote:
and speaking of altering words, funny how you changed my sentence from
"fray" "argument" to discussion.
I've reread the entire thread, and frankly, you're the only person I see "disagreeing." In fact, many different posters said that they've noticed the same thing and that it is a problem. I personally believe that you're only disagreeing out of your dislike for me. IMy "stance" is that Mogul does not use closers in a manner consistent with history. I don't see how you can disagree with this, when a simple simulation of any season and comparing the closers to those in real life show this crystal clear.Quote:
also kinda funny how you dont notice at the people in your closer topic who disagree cuz they are as plain as day ,
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Deleted posts remain on the forums, but are hidden from non-moderators, and all the other moderators can vouch for me that there are no deleted posts in the closer thread. In addition, posts which have been editted say so. I did edit the original post. I forget exactly what I changed, but I don't ever recall having some example about Mariano Rivera and Joe Torre in that thread.Quote:
and its also funny how the initial post and several replies have vanished. i recall that thread started with you giving a specific example with mariano and torre, thats magically vanished.
so if youre going to say something like "show me where"
dont edit the threads beforehand.
very convenient !
And now I see:
So you were talking about an entirely different thread, one of which had no relation to my comment in your thread with the screenshots. Even in this case, there are no edits nor deleted posts in that thread. (There are actually 4 deleted posts, all 4 of which were deleted by their posts, 1 of which was my final post in the thread which I posted before realizing that the thread was closed, so I respectfully removed it)Quote:
JUST to be fair to HGM,
i think maybe i am just confused and it is this closed thread about basically the same thing that i was thinking of when referring to editing.
http://forum.sportsmogul.com...d.php?t=157502
You've attacked me and made false accusations. Sorry, I'm not going to let those stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
In that case, I believe that, as with most internet forums, baiting and trolling should be prohibited and posters that do show should be warned, and those that continually do so should be suspended and/or bannedQuote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
That is NOT what I want to do. I want to simply post my thoughts, as does every single other poster. As with all discussion boards, there are going to be different thoughts and opinions, and people are going to discuss and debate them. Discussing and debating different ideas does not get anybody banned. It is when it gets to the point that insults start being thrown that such things occur, and rarely by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
Word. Again. Muhahahahahahahahahahaha! ;)
Then do it! Have fun. Type in Phoenician and translate it into pig latin. Write it in crayon on your monitor, take a digital picture and post it. Submit it in crossword puzzle form.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I d_o_n'_t c_a_r_e!
No! I have to have the last word!
Last Word...Fini...The End....Someone close this thread so I can win!
No! Close it now!
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
hA HA Ha AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAAAAA.
Now that's funny stuff!
Guys C'mon....All y'all are doing is making Ohm's point over and over.
b,bbb,bbbb....
Awww, I can't do that to you guys. :D
Now you can, since I have the last word!
No Me!
No me!
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Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
I agree, I get soo tired of somebody who keeps on trying to get there points accross. People need to move on. There is no point in arguing your point in post # 2, and still arguing your point in post #200. That is really tiring and as a moderator, I get tired of it. I Hope it stops. Make your point...and when you reply think of a nice way of writing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
"I see what you are saying, but maybe I think you are wrong, Could it be...." might be nicer way to debate and not totally refusing to see the other side, or basically calling the other people on the forum stupid because they don't agree with you. I am not only talking about HGM, but also FRS, slowrx7/watery...ect....
remember ohms, any excuse is a bad excuse. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
Yea, it's important not to make this only about HGM. It's decidedly not, at least not from my perspective. The only reason that it's centered on him is because that's how the thread started. And, really, the only reason that HGM is really a target at all is because he has privileges.
No people where complaining before ohms as well, just not at this extent. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
but does it matter, lets post away...
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I get soo tired of somebody who keeps on trying to get there points accross. People need to move on. There is no point in arguing your point in post # 2, and still arguing your point in post #200.
This is exactly why I hardly read a thread all the way though. It gets very annoying when you have to read 30 post between 2 or 3 people fighting with each other and the original post is forgotten. People need to remember just because you have facts about something doesn't mean its right. Just like there are 2 sides to every story, there are facts out there to support 2 sides and sometimes 3 sides of a argument(sp).
State your point of view and let it go at that. And since I've joined it seems to me everytime HGM post something, there are a couple of people that will attack anything and everything he says. If he was to say the world was round there would be someone here to argue with him about it being flat. I'm not sticking up for HGM, I don't know him or anybody else here, but sometimes in life you have to let things go.
It's not flat, it's clearly convex. Go out and look at the horizon for Pete's sake! :rolleyes: Jheesh, don't you guys know anything? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
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sometimes 3 sides of a argument
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it's clearly convex.
See a third side I forgot:p
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
Whew!...that was close...Boom must have run out of breath ere he got to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
I put it down to the fact that he's so young; so articulate; and some of us so resentful of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rongar
As I was mentioned in this post,I think I have the right to reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
I post with an argument,when I feel it is necessary to clear up a point made by another poster which I disagree with or is implictly subjective but portrayed as objective.I continue to re-post because often the other poster ASKS for evidence which I try & show & also further develop my original hypothesis stated.
However,if the other poster changes his argument(eg from simply using a 1 time example & then saying it is a larger problem) I usually will ALSO point this out - saying it is inconsistent with his original argument.Similarly,if the poster mis-quotes one of my posts I will show it was inconsitent.
Lastly,please find a "quote" of mine referring to any other poster where I call them stupid/crazy/foolish (or even implying it by saying "it is crazy to think" or "it is painfully obvious" or "it is foolish to believe").
As I remember (& I may be mistaken) I have never used derogatory comments nor insults EVER - so Bobby,don't "label" me as such.;)