Still smarting over that little 20 K game? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
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Still smarting over that little 20 K game? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
I have never been aware of Boston having "bandwagon" fans. Personally, I have been a sox fan since I was a child. When the Red Sox are eliminated, the season is basically over for me. On the other hand, any team that is successful will have casual fans jump on that "bandwagon", so to speak. There were Chicago Bulls fans, because of Jordan.... and when MJ left, and the championships stopped...those fans left. These are not what the purists refer to as "true" fans, and I agree with them.
The type of bandwagon fans that I'm talking about are the ones that live in the cities of the team that the Red Sox are playing who's team sucks and so they see the Red Sox's record and decide to cheer for them instead of their hometown team. Those people are morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
But you're just assuming that anybody that lives in that city that's cheering for the "opposing" Red Sox is doing it because they're winning. You don't know the first thing about any of those fans. They all very well could be true Red Sox fans. Perhaps they used to live in Boston, went to college in Boston (like robinhoodnik said), simply like Boston despite not being from there, etc. Just because someone is from a certain city, Seattle in your case, doesn't mean that they're obligated to root for that city's team, nor does it mean that if they root for another team, specifically a winning one, they're doing so because of the winning record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
So, you're saying that there's 10,000 people without accents, who just happen to have lived in Boston or have gone to college in Boston? I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
If you're "10,000" statistic is true, which I highly doubt (because you couldn't have spoken to all 10,000 of those people and know that they don't have accents), how in the world do you know that all 10,000 of those people live in Seattle? Boston fans are some of the most intense sports fans in America. It's common for them to fly around the country attending games in other cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
Also, it is possible to live in a city, even be born and raised in a city, and not have that city's "accent."
I just think you're generalizing and making huge assumptions.
Sure it is, IF that swing guarantees a World Series win. But HGM, aren't you the one who is always pooh-pooh-ing the effects of small sample sizes?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Look, if you're a "true fan," wouldn't you actually know who some of the Red Sox are? Because those people obviously didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That situation would guarantee a World Series win. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by beerchaser
This isn't a statistical analysis. I wouldn't base my opinion of a hitter's ability on one swing. I wouldn't hail the player that got the hit as a great clutch hitter. But, a World Series win is extremely beneficial financially, and the swing that clinches that World Series victory could certainly be worth $14 million. Now, I'm not saying that it is. I don't think there's really anyway to put a monetary value on a single swing, but as ohms said, when something is the deciding factor of the season, why isn't it worth a lot?Quote:
But HGM, aren't you the one who is always pooh-pooh-ing the effects of small sample sizes?
How do you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
I was surronded by them. You could hear them saying stuff like "Who's he?" for people like Pedroia and Lugo.
*shrug* While there's probably fans that are like what you're saying, I do believe that you're making massive assumptions of entire fanbases based on very little.
Of course, it's not really possible to purchase that one swing either. No one that I know of has psychic abilities and can know that a particular player will make that swing.
Not exactly something that you can make a managerial decision with.
I was being facetious, dude. As my favorite cartoon character Foghorn Leghorn says, "that's a joke, son".Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Humm... didn't come across that way. Pretty common mistake to make on a message board.Quote:
I was being facetious, dude.
aka "frontrunners".Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
I don't have an accent. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
This is true. It's often cheaper to fly to Baltimore, New York, Tampa, or many other cities with smaller nearby airports that are serviced by smaller airlines, who offer cheap fares (like Southwest).Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
If you can get a ticket to Fenway, you're going to pay well over face value, which is already exhorbitant, pay an outrageous day of game parking rate, and get soaked for food and beverages. Then you gotta try and get out of Boston afterwards, which isn't very easy under ideal circumstances. You can take the T, but you can also get shot for your trouble, or be stranded if the T stops running before a late game gets out.
There are a lot of them. Even here. It's just a place to be seen now (Fenway) for a lot of people. I am often accosted by "fans" who don't know the difference between Yastrzemski and Mientkiewicz. They just like being part of something, and if they're willing to support my addiction...er, team; I guess that I have to just (grudgingly) be polite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
I was talking to a Red Sox fan today & he told me that Game 1 tickets are being "sold" for 1300/1400$ whereas he could get Game 3 & 4(in Denver) tickets for 650$....Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
Yep, Denver has tickets available at the booth still. I understand that they didn't even sell out a playoff game. I haven't bothered to check that out for factual basis, but it came from FOX sports radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
I thought the satirical twist was fairly obvious. Another one of Foggy's favorite sayings... "pay attention son, the high hard ones are goin' right by ya".Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
hehe
I'm certain that it would have been obvious in person or on the phone, something like that. As just the written word though, quite a bit of meaning is normally lost.
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There were Chicago Bulls fans, because of Jordan.... and when MJ left, and the championships stopped...those fans left.
Bad example here, the bulls have been in the top 5 in attendance the last 5 years, since 2002
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2003
And don't tell me the Celtics attendance didn't go down when Bird retired. Plus half the world stopped watching and going to NBA games when Jordan retired.
They tore down the Garden when Bird retired. Boston doesn't even have a basketball team anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
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Originally Posted by beerchaser
Heh, yeah, it didn't seem so. Jokes, especially subtle ones, are often hard to convey over the Internet. :) Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
Yeah, exactly. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
haha, Sir Roger.Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
What was that like in 1986!
What is the capasity of Denver, can't they fit like 20k more seats into Coors field then in Fenway?Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
I made a huge mistake, and I learned from this when I was younger.
I was in a subway in Kirkland, and I asked this lady where she was from (she had some sort of English/scottish/irish/austrillian accent)...she said she was from the US, and she was giving me an attitude. At that time I couldn't have been older then 15, she said it is very offensive to ask where somebody is from because an accent doesn't mean a thing. She was born in the US, and when she was young, her family moved to Ireland and recently came back. She had a US passport and everything...ever since then, When I ask somebody on a personal level, where they are from (I ask "Where is your accent is from?"...)
I was soo ignorant then :o
My "Bulls" reference was not a bad example at all. In fact, your comments illustrate the point I was trying to make, and probably didnt state very well. The fans I was referring to were not the ones in the Chicago...they never went to Bulls games when Jordan was playing. They lived in Texas, Arizona, Alabama, etc. They just claimed to be Bulls fans, because they liked Jordan. When the team was no longer championship level, these "fans" forgot all about the Bulls. These are frontrunners, not real fans. If the Bulls attendance remained high, thats because there are a lot of real fans that are in the area that still attend games. And sure, there were probably Larry Bird "fans", that have completely disassociated themselves from the Celtics since he retired. Thats the point... there are pseudo fans everywhere...fair weather fans. When the team falls on hard times...those "fans" are gone, and its the real, hardcore fans that still follow the team.
It could be they were just a fan of MJ and not the Bulls, there are people that like certain athletes and maybe not the organization they play with.
I do get what you were trying to say though
personally, I find anyone that supports any team that's not from their home town/region in a sport where there is in fact a team in their home town/region kinda seedy, suspicious, and potentially evil.
For example, there are a surprising number of Packers fans up here in northern Illinois, and I hope they all die in fiery crashes with careening diesel tankers.
On the other hand, the Packers fans that live in Wisconsin I only wish would die in non-fiery crashes with stationary milk tankers. Or be forced to live in Onalaska.
[QUOTE=boomboom;900702]I made a huge mistake, and I learned from this when I was younger.
I was in a subway in Kirkland, and I asked this lady where she was from (she had some sort of English/scottish/irish/austrillian accent)...she said she was from the US, and she was giving me an attitude. At that time I couldn't have been older then 15, she said it is very offensive to ask where somebody is from because an accent doesn't mean a thing. She was born in the US, and when she was young, her family moved to Ireland and recently came back. She had a US passport and everything...ever since then, When I ask somebody on a personal level, where they are from (I ask "Where is your accent is from?"...)
On the West side it could of been Norwegin/Fin/Sweed.
Up nere Everret it could be Veit/Korean/Japaneese/elc...
Any way ya look at it they were probably there when the railroad got there.
Yea i recall Seattle area Now Fans of the Seahawks are pretty diehard not all that sure about the Mariners.
Didn't frequent Seattle its self much.
Those Boston Fans Ya may have to count Rudy Julioni (forgive my spelling) among those Sox Fans.