I have already stated the fact of your lack of communication skills. Perhaps mine need work too if an honor roll student can't figure it out.
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I have already stated the fact of your lack of communication skills. Perhaps mine need work too if an honor roll student can't figure it out.
What? No. That doesn't even begin to make sense. Ignoring that I actually don't lack communication skills, there's nothing a lack of communication skills can do when I flat out say I THINK BONDS TOOK ROIDS to make someone think that i think that he didn't take roids
I think Barry Bonds took steroids has one and only one meaning. No amount of a lack of communication skills makes that statement mean the exact opposite of what I'm being accused of arguing for.
/\/\ /\/\ |< - But I think you had a lot of ambigous 'you can't proves flying around' and people picked up on that.
Believing that it can't be 100% proven, yet still believing that it's true, are seperate things. By saying I don't think it can be proven, that IS NOT saying that I don't think it's true.
Whoooosh. That's the sound of the the point going over your head. (Again, sigh)
When you make so many differing statements, some of which don't technically conflict, people are bound to be confused on what point you are trying to make. The communicator is the one the weight is on to get through to the audience. Instead of blaming them, blame yourself for being unclear. If they don't understand, it is your fault. No matter what. No, don't even try to weasel out. I can sense you right now forming another 'out'. There is no way out. The audience was confused and it is the communicators fault. 100% fault, to you. Is that crystal clear enough for you?
And besides, instead of nicely restating what you said, you had to act like a toddler and get mad? There was no excuse for you to go off and throw insults. Yes I am guilty of doing this as well, but there is no excuse for insults I made either. Aww, someone fwustwated you??? Poh Baby.
How about you grow up and take accountability for your actions? Yeah, probably too much to expect, but hey we can wish.
There's no way I can state that I believe Bonds too steroids, and that I believe that he shouldn't be stricken from the records due to lack of proof, along with a bunch of other issues, any clearer than I already have.
How about when I state "It is a fact that there is a high correlation every year" and I get in response "That's a contradiction! A fact is a perfect correlation. YOu can't say there isnt a perfect correlation and yet still call it a fact"!? That's just ridiculous too. It can be a fact that there is a high correlation, and that's not a contradiction. And there's no way I can be any clearer.
The fault does NOT lay entirely on me. I've admitted that I don't articulate things perfectly all the time for many reasons. However, to say that not understanding what I'm saying is ENTIRELY my fault, is wrong.
And I like how you say that there's no excuse for insults, yet throw another, sneakier one in there in the very next sentence.
Also, I nicely restated what I've said over and over again, and it gets replied to with a "NO! YOUVE ARGUED THAT BONDS DIDNT USE STEROIDS." or a "NO! THATS A CONTRADICTION" even though I already restated what I was saying. That is where my dense comment came from - because I had restated over and over again what my point was, and I still get told that I'm arguing for something I'm actually not.
I'm gonna have to agree with HoustonGM here.
Slowrx7 seems like he just wants to fight, no matter how dumb it makes him sound.
this is hilarious. i have to comment just to keep the thread at the top of the page a little longer.:D
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Originally Posted by dabruinss
I'll have to agree with ya
Your choice to side with whoever you want, just don't be surprised when our newest mod calls you dense. Also, he will use the correct definition of a word to his advantage, but if you try to reverse it, he will say something to the effect of 'you know what I meant'.
HGM - I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to articulate an argument. It happens to me all the time. The Sheffield thread is a prime example. But - that does not give you the right to go raped ape on people. If you have to nicely say it 10 times, and someone still doesn't get it - tell them nicely the 11th time, or just stop responding.
And just to throw this out here, is someone who lacks obvious social skills dense?
You really seem to have something against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowrx7
Based on that "newest mod" comment, i sense a bit of jealousy
Nah, I haven't been here long enough, I'm a loose cannon, and I wouldn't want the job. But do I think he shouldn't be a mod? Yes, he was a bad choice.
Actually, he was a good choice
He has been a huge contributor here for a long time.
I realize that. However, moderators generally attempt to diffuse situations. HGM doesn't know that art (nor do I). A moderator taking pot shots at contributors and attempting to escalate situations to bait a contributor into tossing an insult back is pretty much unheard of.
It's not a good idea to prod more response out of an arguement you're not involved in either Wood. My two cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by wood34
Empty handed............, no beer.......... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wassit3
I have something against the way he treats people and insults them. I have something against the way he takes no accountability after a profanity laden or condescending remark. I have nothing against him personally. I happen to think we would get along irl. Same interests, at least.
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Originally Posted by wood34
lol
I know, he's so far off base, its funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
Thanks for the hit and run, too, boomboom :cool:
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by slowrx7
This thread is funny. :)
I am here to please.
Again, I made the "dense" comment prior to becoming a mod, and also, it wasn't even in response to anything you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowrx7
In these specific cases I've been referring to, I articulated my argument as crystal clear as I could.Quote:
HGM - I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to articulate an argument. It happens to me all the time. The Sheffield thread is a prime example. But - that does not give you the right to go raped ape on people. If you have to nicely say it 10 times, and someone still doesn't get it - tell them nicely the 11th time, or just stop responding.
I don't lack obvious social skills. Which social skills do I lack?Quote:
And just to throw this out here, is someone who lacks obvious social skills dense?
Robinhoodnik and I have both become mods. I know you're going to call me biased, but i think that we were both excellent choices to mod the forum. Why? here's why.Quote:
Nah, I haven't been here long enough, I'm a loose cannon, and I wouldn't want the job. But do I think he shouldn't be a mod? Yes, he was a bad choice.
1) We've both been active participants of the forums for many years. I joined 5 years ago, and started really participating on a daily basis 3 years ago.
2) Robin joined 4 years ago. I don't know exactly how long he's been a very active member, but it's been for as long as I can remember.
3) We both provide mods for the game to the community. I provide rosters, and I've done photos. Robin's provided photos, logos, and has also been a very active member of the BMO community.
4) We both try our best to help new Mogul players.
Keep in mind I became a moderator like two days ago. I'm not going to change my beliefs or how I defend my beliefs in a debate. I've rarely had problems until recently. I don't see why two people can't debate an issue on which they disagree, without in escalating into ridiculousness.Quote:
I realize that. However, moderators generally attempt to diffuse situations. HGM doesn't know that art (nor do I). A moderator taking pot shots at contributors and attempting to escalate situations to bait a contributor into tossing an insult back is pretty much unheard of.
Please, where have I insulted people besides that one "dense" comment, that was not harsh at all, and was a general statement based on how ridiculous it was to have to repeat the same thing over and over again when it was clearly put into one, neat sentence?Quote:
I have something against the way he treats people and insults them.
HGM - being a good contributor has nothing to do with being a moderator.
It is a worthy trait, and it shows you will be here a lot, but its only a prerequisite for the job, and honestly, the only prereq I think you have.
You lack the social skills of being able to calm people down, being able to not respond to baiting, you are overly defensive (even your response to my question which sparked this response, which was a yes or no btw, was defensive), you lack the petting of ego to help someone feel smart even if it appears they aren't, you lack a sense of humor, you lack the ability to be nice when frustrated, and you lack the ability to choose words that are not profanity when a more politically correct word is available.
Dense isn't harsh? Wait, that a joke? And does it matter who it was aimed at? I actually care about the other members of this board, which leads to another social skill you lack - compassion.
You are a mod now. You don't need to change your beliefs, but you are supposed to be a role model on the forums, and are here not to 'pwn' contributors, but moderate discussions. Like it or not, you should tone down a little bit, and act more like ohms. I used to be frustrated at ohms, but all in all, ohms has acted fairly neutral.
What's that? A contradition? First you state that being a good contributor has nothing to do with being a moderator, than you claim it as a prerequisite! Which is it? Does it have something to do with being a moderator, or not?!Quote:
Originally Posted by slowrx7
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Just to let you know, you don't know the first thing about me.Quote:
You lack the social skills of being able to calm people down, being able to not respond to baiting, you are overly defensive (even your response to my question which sparked this response, which was a yes or no btw, was defensive), you lack the petting of ego to help someone feel smart even if it appears they aren't, you lack a sense of humor, you lack the ability to be nice when frustrated, and you lack the ability to choose words that are not profanity when a more politically correct word is available.
Again, you don't know the first thing about me.Quote:
Dense isn't harsh? Wait, that a joke? And does it matter who it was aimed at? I actually care about the other members of this board, which leads to another social skill you lack - compassion.
And when I say that I think that somebody is purposely not understanding me to get me frustrated, yeah, that's not that harsh.
Moderators are members of the community as well. They're sole purpose isn't to just simply moderate discussions. They're allowed to participate in them as well. If becoming a moderator meant not being allowed to participate in debates, I would not have agreed to it, as a big reason I am here is to participate in discussions.Quote:
You are a mod now. You don't need to change your beliefs, but you are supposed to be a role model on the forums, and are here not to 'pwn' contributors, but moderate discussions.
I don't know what a contradition is, but I wasn't contradicting myself. Good contributing is needed to be recogized and selected. It isn't a necessary part of the task.
Ok, you ask me what you lack then totally dismiss it? Why even ask? To bait me? I know enough to make a first impression, and I honestly answered to the best of my knowledge.
The insults - You could have worded it the way you did just now in your earlier post, but you didn't. You called them dense.
Of course you can partake in discussions, but not knowing troll or bait people, or incite an angry reaction, which is what you usually do.
Okay, you can stop pointing out every itsy bitsy typo I make. That's just pointless. A moderator that doesn't contribute won't be a moderator long. Activeness is a requirement of a moderator.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowrx7
Yet, you don't know me. All you know of me is how I act in a debate about baseball, something of which I hold very strong opinions on.Quote:
Ok, you ask me what you lack then totally dismiss it? Why even ask? To bait me? I know enough to make a first impression, and I honestly answered to the best of my knowledge.
And I later expanded upon it.Quote:
The insults - You could have worded it the way you did just now in your earlier post, but you didn't. You called them dense.
No. I state my opinion, and defend my opinion. I'm not inciting anything by arguing my point, else, everyone that's participated in a debate is guilty of the same thing.Quote:
Of course you can partake in discussions, but not knowing troll or bait people, or incite an angry reaction, which is what you usually do.
It isn't defending your ideals where you screw up. Its the condescending, arrogant, cocky attitude how you defend it.
Possibly contributing is required on this board, so I will concede that point. However, its not the total skillset needed.
I don't need to know you. You portray your social skills on this board and thats all we have to go on. You show a lack of social skills and thats we base it on. I supposed I could have prefaced every example with 'On this board, you seem to'. You could be the nicest guy in the world, but you come off differently here. On the board, thats all we have to go on.
If you want to go back and look at older debates, you wouldn't see such an attitude, because I wasn't being personally attacked at every opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowrx7
Which is why I listed other things as well, and it wasn't a complete list.Quote:
Possibly contributing is required on this board, so I will concede that point. However, its not the total skillset needed.
You're basing it solely off my debates on a topic I feel very strongly about. Take a look around the rest of the forum. I offer help to people when they need it. I point people in the right direction and answer their questions regarding the game. I get a couple of instant messages a week with people asking me for assistance with the game or the forums. If I was such a bad person on the boards, why would people come to me with issues they're having?Quote:
I don't need to know you. You portray your social skills on this board and thats all we have to go on. You show a lack of social skills and thats we base it on. I supposed I could have prefaced every example with 'On this board, you seem to'. You could be the nicest guy in the world, but you come off differently here. On the board, thats all we have to go on.
They don't know any better? How am I supposed to know why? I am not a mind reader.
Most of your list contained things that pointed to activity. Number 4 I have no idea if its true. In fact, I remember you being mean to me when I first joined.
You aren't being attacked. You were being debated. It's funny how when you do it, its debating, and when people do it to you, its attacking.
And no, I don't see you on the other boards where we work together. (joke)
All my memories of talking to you have come from debates, in which we disagree. I don't ever recall you asking for help regarding Mogul and me being mean to you.Quote:
Most of your list contained things that pointed to activity. Number 4 I have no idea if its true. In fact, I remember you being mean to me when I first joined.
It goes beyond debating when I start to get insulted because I happened to have been born in 1989, and when I am called many harsh names, like "****ing fruitcake" and a multitude of others. (And I'm talking about more people than just you, by the way).Quote:
You aren't being attacked. You were being debated. It's funny how when you do it, its debating, and when people do it to you, its attacking.
5) Between the three of us there's always going to be coverage on the non-BMO forums, now.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
6) The three of us know each other very well (on the forums, at least), and we know the community (standards, rules, guidelines, etc...)
7) Between the three of us, we sort of run a spectrum. Robin is more "conservative", I'm more "moderate", and HGM is more "liberal". Obviously, none of us are real ideologues, and those labels are far from being 100% accurate, but their accurate enough.
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8) I trust their judgment (and Clay obviously agreed).
9) We can back each other up.
Good additions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
I'd also just like to state that I do understand that I've been more "snappy" lately, as I alluded to when I quoted my private message to Robin. I've been going through some rough emotional times lately, as well as dealing with the stress of college preparation, so I am more "on edge" so to speak.
Timing is a big part of this as well. Just prior to your first post, slowrx (and, incidentally, prior to HGM and robin becoming mods), we had a bit of an incident with a member... Let's just say that it wasn't pretty, and HGM didn't do anything wrong, but he was certainly the target.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That was like the day before you joined. Actually, it may have been the day that you joined (or at least the day that you first posted...).
Bad timing.
Mind refreshing my memory, ohms? Which incident occured immediately prior to slowrx7 joining?
Well to be fair, when you see a post count of less than 5 on a contributor, wouldn't you want to back off a little, so they don't get scared off and leave?
I think I called you the fruitcake, in all honesty.
TacoBoy? that was after the Sheffield thread.
I don't pay attention to post count that much. I often don't look at it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowrx7
Yes, that was you, but I didn't want to seem like I was implying that you're continually insulting me, as you're not, you just HAVE, and a lot of the insults directed to me have been from other people.Quote:
I think I called you the fruitcake, in all honesty