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Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
As a Cubs fan I'm not sure I like the hiring of Sweet Lou.
I thought for sure Girardi would have taking over the reigns.
Piniella has not won anything since 1990.
I don't care how many wins he had with Seattle. They didn't win it all.
Sure Girardi is a newcomer but not much is expected of him right away.
That Cubs team has more holes than a Iraqi insurgent.
Paying Lou 10 million bucks was too much.
Girardi would have come cheaper, relates to the players better and is a Chicago favourite.
Plus the rumours out of Chicago are that they will try to get A-Rod.
I do not, I repeat do not want A-Rod on my Chicago Cubs.
He is just bad luck and the Cubs do not need any more of that.
Our future at third base is Scott Moore.
At second we will have Ryan Theriot.
Felix Pie will dazzle in the outfield.
And with pitchers like Marshall, Perez and Novoa we will be fine.
Lou could prove me wrong but I doubt it.
Discuss.
The Sultan
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
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Originally Posted by
BaseballSultan
As a Cubs fan I'm not sure I like the hiring of Sweet Lou.
I thought for sure Girardi would have taking over the reigns.
Piniella has not won anything since 1990.
I don't care how many wins he had with Seattle. They didn't win it all.
Sure Girardi is a newcomer but not much is expected of him right away.
That Cubs team has more holes than a Iraqi insurgent.
Paying Lou 10 million bucks was too much.
Girardi would have come cheaper, relates to the players better and is a Chicago favourite.
Plus the rumours out of Chicago are that they will try to get A-Rod.
I do not, I repeat do not want A-Rod on my Chicago Cubs.
He is just bad luck and the Cubs do not need any more of that.
Our future at third base is Scott Moore.
At second we will have Ryan Theriot.
Felix Pie will dazzle in the outfield.
And with pitchers like Marshall, Perez and Novoa we will be fine.
Lou could prove me wrong but I doubt it.
Discuss.
The Sultan
Pinella is a dolt. Girardi is a good Cubs fit. A-Rod would fit in well with the Cubs. Novoa is incompetent.
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
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SFSteveG
A-Rod would fit in well with the Cubs.
better than Aramis ?:eek:
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SFSteveG
Novoa is incompetent.
Like half the pen:rolleyes:
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
funny what has Girardi won?
Pinella is a very good manager, better than Dusty Baker. He turned a Seattle Team around. At one time Seattle was the joke of Baseball. I believe one game in the 80's we drew 600 fans. 600!!!!
He is the best manager in the MLB. Give Pinella a 200million dollar payrole, and watch him put A-rod 8th...or make the stupid moves torre does. Torre was only average before he came to New York.
Pinella went to Seattle, after winning the series in Cinci in 1990, and having two more good seasons in Cinci.
Code:
Cincnnti 486 255 231 .525
NewYorkY 417 224 193 .537
Seattle 1551 840 711 .542
TampaBay 485 200 285 .412
+----+-----------+--------+---+-----+----+----+------+------+
TOTAL 2939 1519 1420 .517
Want to look at the Mariners Record before he got there?
1992- 64-98 (.395)
1991- 83-79 (.512)
1990- 77-85 (.475)
1989- 73-89 (.451)
1988- 68-93 (.422)
1987- 78-84 (.481)
1986- 67-95 (.414)
1993-2002-
2002- 93-69 (.574)
2001- 116-46 (.716)
2000- 91-71 (.562)
1999- 79-83 (.488)
1998- 76-85 (.472)
1997- 90-72 (.556)
1996- 85-76 (.528)
1995- 79-66 (.545)
1994- 49-63 (.438)
1993- 82-80 (.506)
IN tampa they didnt have the talent. The Cubs fans are very lucky to have Piniella. Having a manager with that passion is the best thing for the Cubs. He will win the World Series in his stay with the Cubbies. Mark my words.
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Code:
Atlanta 486 257 229 .529
NewYorkM 709 286 420 .405
NewYorkY 1780 1079 699 .607
St.Louis 706 351 354 .498
+----+-----------+--------+---+-----+----+----+------+------+
TOTAL 3681 1973 1702 .537
Torre record.
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
bah
managerial "records" are about as meaningfull as a pitcher's win-loss record.
I suppose that the only change that the Mariner's made between '92 and '93 onword was hiring Lou Piniella?
What are the general manager's records? how come you never hear about "so-and-so, GM of the such-and-such has a .601 winning percentage?"
ps.: yes, the Cubs would be better with A-Rod. all the hyperbolie aside, A-rod is one of the best players of all time. sure, he's too greedy, and he's very streaky (1-15, then 14-15, etc...), but you can't argue with his overall stats.
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
Well, GM stand pat, came aboard in the 2000 season...
What about seasons 93-99, That put seattle on the Baseball world map.
Piniella has passion. He makes a team better....
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Can you find a Tampa Bay fan that agrees with you?
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
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ohms_law
Can you find a Tampa Bay fan that agrees with you?
Firstly - do TB have any ?:D
Secondly the thing is Piniella has been out of baseball since TB & his TB experience was "average" - cubs will get a good manager but one who will want to win now & viewing their record & roster the 'Tribune' had better spend big otherwise there is going to be trouble.
Thirdly even if they get A-Rod the cost will be phenomenal - at least Ramirez (if he stays) & possibly 2 pitchers (talk of Marshall & may be Zambrano)
A-Rod is good but losing your best hitter & pitcher would already condemn Chicago to an average season
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, Pinella is the same as other recent Cubs managerial hires--an older manager who has had some success elsewhere. So far, that success hasn't transferred over to the Cubs to any great extent. On the other hand, I do agree that he's a good manager, and since the Cubs front offices seems to think that the talent level on the team is good enough that they should be contending, I understand why they'd not want to take a chance on a relative unexperienced manager.
Bottom line is that I don't think that the team is as good as they seem to think they are, and unless/untill the upgrade the talent level, no manager is going to win big there.
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dps
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, Pinella is the same as other recent Cubs managerial hires--an older manager who has had some success elsewhere. So far, that success hasn't transferred over to the Cubs to any great extent. On the other hand, I do agree that he's a good manager, and since the Cubs front offices seems to think that the talent level on the team is good enough that they should be contending, I understand why they'd not want to take a chance on a relative unexperienced manager.
Bottom line is that I don't think that the team is as good as they seem to think they are, and unless/untill the upgrade the talent level, no manager is going to win big there.
Managers play with what they are given - in the last 5 years since the famous Post season the Cubs have slowly slid down the average Central (its not as if they have to play 1/3 of their games against the red Sox or Yankees)
maybe the problem lies neither with the manager or the owners (they have a top 10 payroll) but their GM & his deals - look at what they got for Sosa,Garciaparra,Maddux,Walker etc - the return has been pretty poor & now it looks like they will lose Pierre as well...
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boomboom
Well, GM stand pat, came aboard in the 2000 season...
What about seasons 93-99, That put seattle on the Baseball world map.
Piniella has passion. He makes a team better....
Sorry my friend, Seatlle doesn't really stand out on the Baseball world map for many fans. Sure you had Hall of Famers like Alvin Davis and Henry Cotto and then a whole legion of fans sipping Starbucks instead of beer at games.
What a baseball city!
All joking aside (and I was joking) I think that Piniella will clash with some of the hotheads in the Cubbies clubhouse and he will alienate the media quite early.
If the Cubs ever traded either Zambrano or Marshall to get A-Rod then I would pour a half-caf double extra strong decaf chocolate shaken (not stirred) triple strong al-pacino and set myself on fire.
A-Rod, even if traded for, has an out clause in 07, 08 and maybe 09. I was listening to his agent's statements yesterday. A-Rod can opt out at the end of a season from now on. So who would want him with that uncertainty??? NOt US!!
Don Zimmer would be a better coach right now for the Cubs than Lou.
The Sultan
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BaseballSultan
If the Cubs ever traded either Zambrano or Marshall to get A-Rod then I would pour a half-caf double extra strong decaf chocolate shaken (not stirred) triple strong al-pacino and set myself on fire.
A-Rod, even if traded for, has an out clause in 07, 08 and maybe 09. I was listening to his agent's statements yesterday. A-Rod can opt out at the end of a season from now on. So who would want him with that uncertainty??? NOt US!!
But Piniella is his "spiritual" DAD & he wants star power (after his Tampa stint) do not be surprised if he does end up playing SS at Wrigley
Big decision in all this is Ramirez - if he walks then you know the Cubs will go after A-Rod
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A-Rod isnt going anywhere, but the new Yankee stadium.
there's absolutely no reason to trade one of the top 3 hitters in the league and im confident Cashman, Torre, and George all see that. dont believe the hype.
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I would rather have Girardi managing my team than Lou. Also I dont think Lou will get them to the post-season unless he can find a way to keep Mark Prior and Kerry Wood on the mound.
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disposablehero
A-Rod isnt going anywhere, but the new Yankee stadium.
I agree in principle...
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disposablehero
dont believe the hype.
Good song
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as far as Lou, he's good, but i have a hard time saying he's any better than the top 4-5 managers in the game today.
i think girardi needs to be with a team that is full of youngsters that he can mentor, rather than manage. give him a few years to prove himself and then hand him the reigns to a "trying to contend" team.
the managerial path is not much different than the average player's path. start off a backup/part-timer and build into the 155 gamer over a couple years.
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ohms_law
Can you find a Tampa Bay fan that agrees with you?
He didnt have the talent....TB still doesnt have the talent. Florida has basically done what the best BMO players do. Tank for a few seasons...than all the rookies develop...good strategies...but it alienates the fans.
Tampa Bay will never win anything...also mark my words.
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boomboom
He didnt have the talent....TB still doesnt have the talent. Florida has basically done what the best BMO players do. Tank for a few seasons...than all the rookies develop...good strategies...but it alienates the fans.
Tampa Bay will never win anything...also mark my words.
New ownership seems better & I really like their outfield - TB's BIG HUMMUNGUS
problem is pitching Numéro Uno Kazmir fine (even great) but 2 to 5 yikes (thats the main difference) Beinfest is a very good GM;)
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QHowes
I would rather have Girardi managing my team than Lou. Also I dont think Lou will get them to the post-season unless he can find a way to keep Mark Prior and Kerry Wood on the mound.
Maybe we should put Prior and Wood into a telepod (like the Fly movies) and combine them.
You would have an unstoppable, unhittable, healthy pitcher/fly.
Just hope he doesn't eat chocolate bars on the mound...lol.
The Sultan
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BaseballSultan
Maybe we should put Prior and Wood into a telepod (like the Fly movies) and combine them.
You would have an unstoppable, unhittable, healthy pitcher/fly.
Just hope he doesn't eat chocolate bars on the mound...lol.
The Sultan
Or very UNHEALTHY lol:D
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Re: Lou Piniella as Cubs Manager?
I swear if the wind blows those guys feel the wrath of a tornado.
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QHowes
I swear if the wind blows those guys feel the wrath of a tornado.
Prior should come back but Kerry looks as if he is done...
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boomboom
He didnt have the talent....TB still doesnt have the talent.
Exactly. He didn't have the talent. What's that tell you? That a manager can't magically make a team better. He manages the player he's given,and if they suck, it's not the fault of the manager. If they play good, it's not the fault of the manager.
The media loves to make big hypes about manager's records and what not, but the fact of the matter is, the manager's impact isn't really all that great.
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Tampa Bay will never win anything...also mark my words.
Never win anything? They won like 65 games this year or something. :p
I get what you mean, but still never is a very long time.
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QHowes
I would rather have Girardi managing my team than Lou. Also I dont think Lou will get them to the post-season unless he can find a way to keep Mark Prior and Kerry Wood on the mound.
The problem is that Lou just doesn't fit the club.
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HoustonGM
Exactly. He didn't have the talent. What's that tell you? That a manager can't magically make a team better. He manages the player he's given,and if they suck, it's not the fault of the manager. If they play good, it's not the fault of the manager.
The media loves to make big hypes about manager's records and what not, but the fact of the matter is, the manager's impact isn't really all that great.
Never win anything? They won like 65 games this year or something. :p
I get what you mean, but still never is a very long time.
exactly.
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SFSteveG
The problem is that Lou just doesn't fit the club.
Well ,if he has problems at least he can commentate the losses..
