Torre still the right guy for the job in NY?

Who would you pick as manager of the Yankees if you were Cashman (GM)

Enormous respect for Torre - one of the best managers in the game & can only work with the "broken " toys he is given - it goes to prove,once again that pitching wins in October, & it is not with the Pavanos,Wrights,Karstens & Ponsons you can achieve it.

However on a personal note - who cares ? Its the yankees...

@FRS: your team didn't even make the playoffs, so I wouldn't talk to much...
:p

anyway yea, Torre is a good manager. The Yanks always have great bats, but they never seem to realise that they need a couple of real Ace pitchers until it's too late. I say fire Steinbrenner.
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Originally Posted by ohms_law

@FRS: your team didn't even make the playoffs, so I wouldn't talk to much...
:p

anyway yea, Torre is a good manager. The Yanks always have great bats, but they never seem to realise that they need a couple of real Ace pitchers until it's too late. I say fire Steinbrenner.
lol

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Good point...cant stand the guy

Torre has won 4 ws and won the division every year he has been there in any other city he'd have a street and a park named after him. but new york.......

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

@FRS: your team didn't even make the playoffs, so I wouldn't talk to much...

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Yea I noticed .... but Talk is cheap & that's all I can do since August ;)

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

anyway yea, Torre is a good manager. The Yanks always have great bats, but they never seem to realise that they need a couple of real Ace pitchers until it's too late. I say fire Steinbrenner.
lol

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Leave Steinbrenner where he is - his payroll ,his club (& his disaster:D ) .

I dont like him but there are 2 things you can say about him (compared with other multi million dollar owners) is that he is passionate for HIS team he & he is willing to put the bucks on the table when asked to do so ...

I don't have a dog in this hunt but my two cents says that Torre is a good guy and a good manager from what I know of him. What I can't figure out is why he would want to stay in NY and work for Steinbrenner. Surely it's not the money, he should have enough of that by now. Yes I know that the Yankees are perennial contenders for the WS but I would think that there are other good franchises who would like to have Torre if he's interested, and he wouldn't have to put up with Steinbrenner's ****. If I was Pinella I wouldn't want the job either. Let a younger guy like Mattingly deal with it.

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I dont like him but there are 2 things you can say about him (compared with other multi million dollar owners) is that he is passionate for HIS team he & he is willing to put the bucks on the table when asked to do so ...

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Despite the huge payroll, the Yankees still rake in the profits, or so I am told. Would GS be so willing to spend megabucks if that were not the case? Maybe, maybe not.

One thing is clear.

If the Yanks don't win it all in 2007, both Torre and Cashman will be gone.

I can't really say if Pinella is the right guy either though.

I think they need someone with less baggage that is not a whiner like Pinella was for the last decade.

Maybe another former Yankee player is waiting in the wings.

Could you imagine Reggie managing them? lol.

They would have a Billy Martin day and Reggie could lay a beating on the all bobbleheads in Yankee Stadium.

The Sultan

It's not Joe Torre's fault they lost. When the team barely hits, the manager can't magically make the team win.

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Originally Posted by beerchaser

I don't have a dog in this hunt but my two cents says that Torre is a good guy and a good manager from what I know of him. What I can't figure out is why he would want to stay in NY and work for Steinbrenner. Surely it's not the money, he should have enough of that by now. Yes I know that the Yankees are perennial contenders for the WS but I would think that there are other good franchises who would like to have Torre if he's interested, and he wouldn't have to put up with Steinbrenner's ****. If I was Pinella I wouldn't want the job either. Let a younger guy like Mattingly deal with it.

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Torre is a Bronx native. Not that I don't think that he would be willing to manage another team, but it's gotta be nice to manage the hometown team you know?

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan

Torre has won 4 ws and won the division every year he has been there in any other city he'd have a street and a park named after him. but new york.......

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they were the wild card the second year he was there not 11 strait... only 9. Like thats not enough:o . I dont knw who would be the best for the job but I think Joe has come to the end. They need a firey guy but not as crazy as Pinella.

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

they were the wild card the second year he was there not 11 strait... only 9. Like thats not enough:o . I dont knw who would be the best for the job but I think Joe has come to the end. They need a firey guy but not as crazy as Pinella.

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I personally don't think there is one manager in the league that would do a better job with these guys than Torre. Guys like Posada and Jeter have known Torre for a decade now and I just can't see any other manager getting more out of them as Joe can. Like Houston said, its not his fault the big bats slumber in October.

Well he is going to be there next year the question is who will be joining him - I cant see Steinbrenner saying to Cashman "well we nearly one so keep them together..."

Big changes especially in the Pitching department look out Wright & Pavano here come Zito,Schmidt & Matzusaka...:(

well, Cashman has aparently been able to wrestle away a significant amount of decision making from George over the last few seasons. If anyone goes, it'll be Cashman. Of course, from what i've seen from George if he actually fires Cashman then a whole lotta other people will be gone at the same time or shortly afterwords.

With Lidle gone now, there's going to be some significant changes in the Yankees bullpen anyway.

I LOVE Joe Torre, but he needs to go. For those of you that were around when he managed the Mets, Cardinals or Braves, you realize that he is not a great "baseball mind".

Torre has been handed the best lineup in baseball from year-to-year and he has really underachieved in most of them (they should win 110 games every year with those lineups). I would argue that the pitching he has been given to work with has been horrible (which makes me question why Cashman is still around), but a lineup that good should be able to win 100 games with 5 mediocre pitchers (obviously more when you add good pitchers to the mix).

Don't forget, even Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with a GREAT team.

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Originally Posted by coloradoexpress

I LOVE Joe Torre, but he needs to go. For those of you that were around when he managed the Mets, Cardinals or Braves, you realize that he is not a great "baseball mind".

Torre has been handed the best lineup in baseball from year-to-year and he has really underachieved in most of them (they should win 110 games every year with those lineups).

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Well he has been in post season nearly every year so winning 120 or 90 games means little (only having Home field advantage as they did this year..)

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Originally Posted by coloradoexpress

I would argue that the pitching he has been given to work with has been horrible (which makes me question why Cashman is still around), but a lineup that good should be able to win 100 games with 5 mediocre pitchers (obviously more when you add good pitchers to the mix).

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Not always been Cashman's call - also due to the "barren" minor system the Yankees have not been able to "trade" effectively as other teams (like prospect rich Dodgers or Angels)

Finally Post-season,especially the first round because of the best of 5 series,is more "pitcher" driven than "hitter" driven so Weaker pitching line ups get shown up.

I think a lot of the blame goes to Steinbrenner & his wish to be always involved in trades & signings but the Yankee defeat is the fault of 25 guys who did not perform upto expectations

So if Pinnellia isnt going to NY as Steinbrenner has said Torre is staying, do you think Pinneilla will be coaching somewhere else this year or no? Marlins and Cubs both canned their guys right?

Marlins already have a replacement.

Cubs, Nationals, Giants, and Rangers all need managers.

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Originally Posted by coloradoexpress

I LOVE Joe Torre, but he needs to go. For those of you that were around when he managed the Mets, Cardinals or Braves, you realize that he is not a great "baseball mind".

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I certainly agree, but I think that part of managing is over-rated anyway. I think being able to keep the team all pulling in the same direction and focused is more important, and I don't see that there's anybody around right now that's better at that than Torrre, especially considering all the "stars" and resultant egos the Yankees have.

I'm just left wondering what the definition of a "great 'baseball mind'" is?

It obviously isn't whatever Joe Torre is, that leaves 6,550,093,548 other people to consider :p

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Originally Posted by SirKodiak

It obviously isn't whatever Joe Torre is, that leaves 6,550,093,548 other people to consider :p

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LOL -:D
Minus 1 other (me)

Haha good point Kodiak

lol SK

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Originally Posted by dps

I certainly agree, but I think that part of managing is over-rated anyway. I think being able to keep the team all pulling in the same direction and focused is more important, and I don't see that there's anybody around right now that's better at that than Torrre, especially considering all the "stars" and resultant egos the Yankees have.

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...and you think he's done this??? Do you really believe that the Yankees would have trouble making the playoffs with even 10% of the current managers in baseball?

Dusty Baker, yes. Jim Leyland, yes. Ozzie Guillen, yes. There's 10% :p

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Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX

Well he has been in post season nearly every year so winning 120 or 90 games means little (only having Home field advantage as they did this year..)

I'm a Twins fan and they have been in the post season 4 of the last 5 years and I'm not satisfied with that, so how can the Yankees and their fans be satisfied with being "in the post season nearly every year"???

Not always been Cashman's call - also due to the "barren" minor system the Yankees have not been able to "trade" effectively as other teams (like prospect rich Dodgers or Angels)

I realize this and we may never know how much Steinbrenner is involved, but generally you hold your GM responsible for a depleted farm system. Not only that, but you don't need a fruitful farm system if you buy the best players every year (it only hurts if you use poor judgement on the players you deem to be "great").

Finally Post-season,especially the first round because of the best of 5 series,is more "pitcher" driven than "hitter" driven so Weaker pitching line ups get shown up.

Although I tend to agree that having a great pitching staff helps in the short series, without knowing for sure, I would be more than willing to bet that you would not see the better pitching teams coming out of the short series any more than the better hitting teams (just a humble opinion).

I think a lot of the blame goes to Steinbrenner & his wish to be always involved in trades & signings but the Yankee defeat is the fault of 25 guys who did not perform upto expectations

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I can't disagree with this comment...

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Originally Posted by coloradoexpress

...and you think he's done this??? Do you really believe that the Yankees would have trouble making the playoffs with even 10% of the current managers in baseball?

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I meant to say 90%...

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Originally Posted by coloradoexpress

...and you think he's done this??? Do you really believe that the Yankees would have trouble making the playoffs with even 10% of the current managers in baseball?

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The Yankees need a manager who is stable and not easily flustered. Sure, there are other guys like that beside Torre, but I don't see anyone who exhibits those qualities more that Torre. Well, there's Cito Gaston, but then you've gone from "stable and not easily flustered" to "completely detached".

and the Yankees just need more character. yea. less talent, and more character. their to good, that's the problem. their soooo good that they just suck!

ahhahaha
i've been reading to much http://firejoemorgan.blogspot.com/
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Originally Posted by dps

The Yankees need a manager who is stable and not easily flustered. Sure, there are other guys like that beside Torre, but I don't see anyone who exhibits those qualities more that Torre. Well, there's Cito Gaston, but then you've gone from "stable and not easily flustered" to "completely detached".

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Please do not be offended by this response, but who cares how stable he is if he can't bring you a championship? The purpose is to win the World Series and the answer either is or is not "Joe Torre".

The point though is that any New York Yankees Manager isn't going to walk into the club house and, like, teach Jeter or A-Rod how to hit. Managing the Yankees is about dealing with the media, dealing with the players themselves, and managing the lineup and rotation to maximise talent. There is no "finding hidden talent" in the Yankees organization, or anything like that.

Torre is great for the Yankees, for exactly the reasons that dps mentioned.