It's not as big as it soundds right now. Relatively speaking of course. The Rangers are chipping in a hefty chunk of change every year already.
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It's not as big as it soundds right now. Relatively speaking of course. The Rangers are chipping in a hefty chunk of change every year already.
It looks like the Yankees are paying $16M/year for A-Rod: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...riguez_01.html
Yeah. Like I said, I think if the Yankees eat anywhere from 6-8 milklion more, a team would gladly take A-Rod off their hands. I'd love a perennial MVP candidate at short stop/third base for around $10M ay ear
As long as he doesnt diasppear in October....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
It'd be tough to convince them to eat 6-8 million/year more of his deal. You have an MVP quality player at a 4-year/64M deal. That's not too bad when you consider that players like Carlos Lee will probably get $12M+ per year on the free agent market. Maybe the Yankees would take a couple million off the deal, but $16M/year is a pretty good deal as it stands. If they were to trade him, they'd probably have to kick in a little but I don't think they'd throw in all that much.
Besides, they've got the position of strength in any deal. If they don't get the deal they like, they still can plug him in the lineup at 3rd base and get a darn good season. Plus, if you trade him, who would you replace him with?
The more they would kick in the better the prospects/players they would recieveQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJay
That's relative in the fact the whole planet knows his problems & the problems that the fans have with him - without his continued lack of success in post season.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJay
True - depends who..... with the Angels could send them Santana,Figgins (plug him in at 3B) & another prospect or two ,say ,McPherson (who apparently the Angels are nt counting on) & Mathis.Solves THE depth at 3B & gets them what they need a Young resiliant starter & a back-up ready to go at catcherQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJay
(God I hope Steinbrenner doesnt read this):eek: :D
A-Rod's "fan problems" won't be nearly as played up if he played somewhere besides New York City.
Yeah, but you could argue they shouldn't have to kick much in at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
I'd think not pulling the trigger and having an MVP at 3rd is a pretty good strength. I also think any team would be willing to give him a chance to do well in the postseason rather than go home at the end of September and not make it -- and certainly his regular seasons would help you get to the playoffs provided you don't trade away most of your team for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
Why would the Angels give up so much for someone who's supposedly such a head case? That deal would create more holes than it would fill for them. It's interesting how on the one hand, people talk down so much about Rodriguez and then expect a massive return in a trade for him. Doesn't seem to line up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
But anyway, since all this A-Rod talk doesn't really matter here in WI ;), over at Fire Joe Morgan they were ripping on a blog that said the Astros should not try to trade for A-Rod. I thought it was kind of funny and also liked the long Joe Sheehan quote near the end.
I thinK A-Rod is a very good player (a bit ego-centric) but still outstanding;Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJay
However in his 2 year tenure at the Yankees Brenner's team are 0 for 2 & he has hit abysmally (post season wise but he wasnt the only one ofcourse);
I believe outside of that atmosphere he will produce better results.In light of the actual cost (16m$) he is very affordable for larger clubs & th Angels owner Moreno has PLEDGED he will sign a big bat.
As you say the Yankees wont give him away because of his ability & still is in his prime so I concluded that the Angels (at the moment) are the best fit - the guys mentioned apart from Santana are expendable to the Angels & Santana would be the "jewel" of the trade for the Yankees & their wooful starting depth.**
The Astros I dont know if they have the money or the talent to go after him (Oswalt & Ensberg maybe ?) but with the loss of Pettitte & Clemens to free
agency it would seem highly unlikely but then again I m not Purpura am I
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6047896
By the way I wrote this before finding the article
Given that the Phillies love to give players to the Yankees for nothing, they should try to trade him for Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Hamels. Then again, I think you have to be over 30 to play for the Yankees.
I think A-Rod needs to play SS for any team that picks him up. The Angels make sense (Cabrera is 31 AND played for the Red Sox), but the Dodgers don't as I would rather have Furcal at 8 and put the extra 2-4 million (given the Yankees would chip in 4-6 mil, which seems to be the only way he would move) somewhere else.
I'm sure Steinbrenner would like to deal him straight up for Bonds. I wouldn't mind that because the Yankees seem like a perfect fit for a cowardly cheat like Bonds. Not that I dislike the Yankees ... ;)
And Mussina's been there for 6 and the Yankees are 0 for 6....People are placing way too much blame on A-Rod. It's not Mussina's fault either. It's not one player's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
He was FAR from the only one.Quote:
& he has hit abysmally (post season wise but he wasnt the only one ofcourse);
Bonds is a free agent to be... so they wont need to trade - just sign him & then HeQuote:
Originally Posted by solitary
& Giambi will have a "balco-time" in NY
And they can jointly call out A-Rod and be cheered for it ;). I think they should stick Sheffield back at third and see if he can't field lower than .900 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
Anything is possible - but the way the off season will turn out will depend unfortunately more on Cashman than Steinbrenner:(Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJay
Look at hemgoin after Pitchin,pithing & possibly pitching
Zito,Schmidt & anyone else who will pitch better than Lidle & co....
It would nt be a Surpise that Pettitte ends up back in the jungle with a 12million$ contract:eek:
Oops...Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
How has Cashman avoided blame in all this? All of the big-money signings have amounted to zip and everyone from Torre on down gets the finger pointed at them. Where's Cashman in all this?Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
Because Cashman upto this Season was forced by the "Boss" to sign X,Y,Z etcQuote:
Originally Posted by solitary
Only this season has he had "full reigns" & when you already have a 200m$ club with the supposed best players in the league well its not your fault if THEY "screw" up
Also Cashman actually did a fine job of trading/moving players this year - it was his signing of Abreu/lidle which ensured that the Yankees won the AL East - also Cashman was preponderant on the signing of phemon "Hughes" etc
So to resumé - Steinbrenner upto now signed the Johnson's,Giambi's & especially Sheffield but Cashman got Damon,Abreu etc & Torre well lost to the Tigers - so the flak was on Torre & the high roller players
Torre didn't lose to the Tigers. Horrendous hitting lost to the Tigers.
Hopefully ARod will realize he plays on a team some day.Quote:
"You kind of get tired of giving the other team credit," Rodriguez said in a somber Yankees clubhouse. "At some point, you just have to look in the mirror and say, 'I sucked.'"
Torre chooses the players & the players play but a manager DOES make the decisions on batting order,player substitution etc - like Melky on the bench with a "injured" Matsui in the outfield,A-Rod 6th then 8th & Torre chose to send out Wright to startQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Torre also is the "spiritual" leader of the team his role is to motivate & send out his players in the best frame of mind to win - he failed in this case
So Torre although ,not the one who physically lost the game was a contributor to the failure of the team because of the above factors & INACTIONS
Sure, he "contributed" but, let me quote disposablehero from ealrier in the thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
Torre didn't make any of those players suck. The majority of the blame has got to go to the team itself. Whether A-Rod bats 4th or 8th, if he goes 1 for 14, it doesn't matter. The team played like horseshit, plain and simple. No manager can magically make a team win if 5 of their top hitters go 12 for 74.Quote:
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Sheff 1-12 w/ 1 RBI, 0 BB, 4 K
Cano 2-15 w/ 0 RBI, 0 BB, 1 K
A-Rod 1-14 w/ 0 RBI, 0 BB, 4 K
and then there's...
Damon 4-17 w/ nothing after game 1
Matsui 4-16 w/ 1 RBI, 0 BB, 2 K
but A-Rod sucks and needs to be traded!?!?!!
Posada and Jeter were the only guys who didnt suck in the series. you cant exactly expect to win, if you dont get more than 2 guys contributing on either side of the ball. the Tiggers pitching dominated the yankee lineup, especially Zumaya, Rogers, and Bonderman. they made them look like rookie leaguers!
My only question was why he didn't go with Wang in Game 4. Why save him for a Game 5 that may not happen? The Yankees (lack of) offense lost that series, but you got to do what you go to do when you're up against the wall. But that's all hindsight - the offense was a big goose-egg after Game 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
this worked for me on the Torre hype, so i'll stick with it for the A-Rod hype :DQuote:
Originally Posted by disposablehero
my predictions:
Sheff is gone and the pitching staff gets overhauled (new #4-5 starters and 2-3 new middle relief arms come in). nothing major occurs on the offensive side of the game. the pitching overhaul is not enough and they have another disappointing post-season next year. Torre is then let go by way of non-renewal.
write it down!
Alright, I got it. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by disposablehero
The only guys that didn't suck:Quote:
Originally Posted by disposablehero
Posada
Jeter
Wang
Rivera
What do they have in common?
All drafted/signed by the Yankees. Coincidence?
Probably. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Clay Dreslough
When you have a hindred bagillion dollars to spend on scouts they better be the best!
[QUOTE=solitary;632226]Oh yes, A-Rod. You sucked. Not that I expected anything less from you. Thanks for sending the Yankees - and their $200 million AARP payroll - down the drain.
I got a trade:Bill Hall and Ben sheets for A-Rod. Milwaukee would be a great place for him. Not to much pressure, he'd be loved by the fans immediatly and if he got them in the playoffs we'd give him the keys to the city.
I hope they don't trade Hall. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan
Yeah, Hall is probably our most popular player but He needs to get better at taking pitches, improving the obp and stop striking out.
So do a lot of players. He's a pretty good SS offensively as it is, however. If you could somehow add a power bat (preferably an OF one) without trading away Hall, you'd have a pretty good middle of the order. Heck, if they give Rickie Weeks titanium wrists, it might be a pretty good offense next year with Weeks and Hart giving way to Hall, Fielder, etc.
Yes true good points, hall's versatility also is a big plus. But I think he might end up getting moved to 3b. Assuming Hardy comes back healthy, and Weeks gets healthy and continues improving his defense, we should have a strong infield.
Interesting question. It's October 1, 2007 and the Yankees are in the playoffs yet again. Let's assume that A-Rod hasn't been traded and that they are playing the Tigers again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJay
Would you bet on A-Rod or Jeter to get more total bases in the playoffs?
A-Rod has a higher career slugging average. So the numbers would indicate that he's the one to bet on.
id say its a coin flip, despite A-Rod's higher regular season slugging percent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Dreslough
Jeter is going to get more opps batting in the 2 hole and he's going to be more successful, even if a higher percentage are singles.
Jeter > A-Rod - the latter goes into hibernation in October;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Dreslough
A-Rod was great in the playoffs previously. You can't judge a player based upon a week or so of playing.
not exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanji Watsuki
he has had a couple good postseasons that included lots of AB, but the same amount of bad postseasons that included few AB. so, it depends on how you look at it (# of postseasons or # of AB) ;)
Given he was a bench player in 1995, I think you can throw those 2 AB out. 1997, 2000 & 2004 were pretty good postseasons for him. It's 2005 and 2006 that have stunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by disposablehero